Paladin testing made it look like skill had no effect on parry or block but reduces dodge by more than .04%. However, I'm starting to think that single-wield and dual-wield exhibit different behaviors, so I'd be interested in seeing a similar experiment performed by rogues, warriors, or shamans, who can dual wield.

2.1:
http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.p...874#post360874

Here's me with 7.34% Hit, no weapon skill and 1% hit talented(8.34% Total)

Out of 243 white hits, I missed 5(2%). Out of 68 Bloodthirsts I missed 2(2.9%). Out of all 530 attacks total I missed 7 total(1.3%)

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=bmhhlg2hszrx5

Here with me going completely overboard 116 Hit rating(7.34% Hit) 4 weapon skill and 3% hit from talents(10.74% total)

There were 0 misses.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=b61x1gwtoufa3

Gonna try again with 7.34% Hit + 2% Hit from talents and see how 9.34% does.

If I'm still missing after that, there's a possibility that the formula changed, in WoW Classic the cap was definately between 8-9% on 73 mobs(8.6% from my calculations), 1% level penalty for 2-handers per leveled + the def difference of the mob. If weapon skill changed drastically it might be 9.5%+ to ensure a 100% non-miss.

Well, that certainly kills the 8% theory.

Observed miss rate in the first one is 5 out of 367, or 1.36%... grinding statistics, that means the true miss rate is likely somewhere between .18% and 2.54% at 8.34% +hit, meaning the base miss rate is between 8.5 and 11%.

Ok, that would lead to the assumption that misses against bosses with a two-hander are calculated like this:
What do you think?

What I am interested in: What tool do you use to analyze your hits/misses. Is there any addon available that counts misses, parries, dodges in-game?

@Emeraude: I just watched your WWS page and what is the miss that is listed here:
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=rm4x2xmak2ovc&a=13
8.5% of all normal melee hits missed?

I've always assumed it was 8.6% based on what I saw with and without 8% and 9% hit, I just wanna hit that sweet spot. next step is prob 8.96% hit =o

And yeah, that 8.5% is dodge/parry.

You can go to the config it to show only misses, directly to the right of "Dmg. Out" change the config from "All Miss" to just Miss.

Just wrote that in the other thread, maybe we should decide for one of them...

Anyway, 8.6% is also believed to be the miss rate for special attacks for rogues, so I see a very good chance this also applies to 2 handed weapons.

So, the problem with this theory is that weapon skill doesn't give +.04% hit; rogue testing puts it at .1%, and the paladins testing got a number close to .2% hit. So if weapon skill isn't providing .04% hit per level, I see no reason to assume that mob defense lowers hit by that amount.

Additionally, the base miss rate of the paladin testing implies the true value between 7.4 and 8.54 percent. While 8.6 is still plausible (it's not far out of the range), it doesn't seem like it's necessarily the obvious choice - although misses have been observed at 8.34% (with a 2h weapon).

My point is that a lot of people seem to be coming back to the .04% hit per skill number and trying to fill in any gaps with prior assumptions of how things worked; this is unlikely to lead to any revelations. What this discussion really needs to show anything conclusive is more testing with large numbers of swings at different combinations of skill and hit.

Back in AQ40 I missed a Backstab with 8%, which was actually the reason the theory on miss rate for specials was increased from 5.6% to 8.6%.
http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/misc/backstabmiss.jpg

What currently bothers me, I can't believe that there are different formulae for different classes or weapons.
The formula for white attacks with a 1h/2h/dual wield should be consistent, and only vary by the base miss rate.

We know that several rogues have reported to not have missed once since they have > 307 hit rating and 10 skill and 5% toHit through talents.
At the same time we have a shaman reporting that he missed with no additional skill and total hit > 25.5%.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that there's mechanics are different for 1H vs 2H vs dual-wield, honestly. I *would* be a bit surprised if class mattered, but I must confess that it's starting to look that way.