So here is a question which will probably just require testing. With a strong MH, such as Big Bad Wolf's Paw, you really want your main-hand to be getting all of the windfury hits. The goal is to have a Windfury proc every 3 seconds, so would it make sense to WF5 main hand, fast OH with FT, and go for haste down to ~1.0sec attack speed on MH? The T5 bonus is what it is, and the new Haste meta gem, Mongoose on the MH with Blackout Truncheon OH could be a reasonable level of haste. Stormstrike damage would be reduced, for sure, however SS accounts for around 9% of my damage, usually, and I'm trying to see if I can pick up some of the WF damage lost in white damage.

You're never ever ever going to average that level of haste, or even achieve it on a regular basis without blowing lotsa cooldowns (abacus, heroism, haste pot, etc). Situation may change with BT haste rating gear, but that's completely impractical ATM.

I am completely ignorant to SS and haste ratings, how exactly does haste reduce SS damage? Going to assume something to do with it changing weapon speed or something -_- (Previously played a healer pre tbc, and have only been enh for one real pve 25 man raid)

I dont think SS is anything to do with weapon speed at all rather just the damage range on the weapon because my highest SS crit has was with Heroism/Dragonspine/Drakefist proc'd so it doesnt seem likely it would. Then again maybe just a lucky crit .

Haste doesn't effect SS damage, correct.

Haste won't effect SS. The effect on SS damage I was talking about is that, with two slow weapons (SS being an instant hit with both weapons) you are doing more damage per SS.

Has there been any math done on the proc percentage for the Hourglass of the Unraveller? I'm currently using it and the Abacus of Violent Odds and wondering which one I want to replace with the Brooch of Bloodlust.

If I remember correctly the Hourglass is a 10% chance on crit, with a hidden 45s cooldown.

Have there been any further tests as far as where the level 60 HWL 2.9 1h would fit in this scheme?

Not quite on topic, but i didn't think this warranted its own topic.

I just after about 50 runs got the totem of the astral winds, and im going to be using it all the time, but i was wondering if i could macro in stormfury totem for each time i stormstrike (only 22 mana save i know), then switch back without missing out on the increased WF from the first totem.

No cd is visually triggered when i switch, but i dont know whether there is some internal cd that prevent me getting the bonus so soon after switching it.

Heya Stig,

If you don't mind taking the time, you could be the first person to test it and have a little slice of theory-crafting celebrity all on your own.

1) Get the lowest dps weapon possible (vendors sell weapons as low as 0.9 dps in major cities).

2) take off all your gear (just to make it easier to see results)

3) stormstrike a mob, write down that you did x damage

4) put on just the trinket, wait at least a couple seconds.

5) stormstrike the mob, write down that you did y damage

Now, since you're using a low damage range weapon, you should be hitting the mob for about 80/14 = (5 or 6) * (weapon speed)more damage than before.

6) write your macro, and try using it with stormstrike.

If the damage is x, then there is a cooldown, if it's y, it works great.

7) let us know the answer so that we can piggy back off your testing :-)

Wont this rely on me getting a WF proc off the SS? Since the totem affects WF AP bonus.

Not sure it would be worth it to be honest. Switching totems during combat triggers the GCD and you'd have to wait until that was up before SS'ing, effectively losing out on the effect on astral winds for the duration of one GCD every 10 seconds.

Presuming that you do get the timing down perfectly, the question would be: is losing 15% of the AP (1.5s every 10s) from regular windfuries from the astral winds as well as any windfury triggered by SS (20% of the time, nominally) worth 22 mana every 10 seconds or 11 mp5?

I was thinking about the same and then I've realized thanks to shamanistic rage I don't have any mana problems at all, and playing with the relics isn't bringing anything really to the table.

Just a thought...

Right now we all know that if MH DPS is X OH DPS will be X/2

Appart, we know that WF has his hidden 3sec CD and, something that we always knes, is that WF hits will be bigger if the white hits that procs it are big.

And we also know that we cannot use a slow OH since SS hits will get shitty.

Since we have the "nerf" from 2day why not star using WF/FT for letting only the MH proc the WF?

The answer to your question is that WF5 on both hands will still result in better dps than mixing any other combo, I can't recall where the actual number crunching is, but i'm certain there is a thread somewhere on this forum, it might be somewhere in the previous 20 pages of this one.

Sorry Malan, I just messed up what I tried to wrote.

I wanted to say:

"And we also know that we cannot use a fast OH since SS hits will get shitty.", and not slow.

And regarding the thread reading, I've done it dozens of times, but just as I stated in the beginning of the post is "just a thought", didn't want to look like a moron who doesn't read, in my case I did.

Perhaps out of character with the rest of this thread, but I thought this might amuse: I cruise into the raid tonight (which was a total clusterfuck due to people's mods not working, etc) thinking, "hey, no more quad procs, I don't have to watch KTM anymore right?"

It's nice to know you're important enough to the raid to be worth a battlerez because you provide the OTs with Nature/Frost totems, even if the raid leader curses your ancestry while ordering one up.

Even with my shit-ass gear and two good weapons (check the armory) WF5/WF5 was coming in at the same DPS as WF5/FT7 on trash mobs, which means WF/WF is going to clean clocks on boss fights due to bypassing glances. I went from between 425 and 450 DPS to right under 400 with no buffs, so the nerf is not insignificant if you have a bad weapon pairing like I do but neither is it so crippling that we won't be able to pull our weight.

I love the changes in the patch and now even consider the patch a nice fix for enhancement shaman. Last night I placed 4th on the DM on Void Reaver. Not because I was doing insane damage, but because I was able to survive long enough. Previously on such an aggro sensitive fight like Void Reaver, i'd be dead within the first 3 minutes. This time I had 2 rogues and a dps warrior die in front of me.

I may do a little less dps then pre-patch. But it is much more controlled and I have 10k+ life while doing it!


p.s - love the stam buffs, eat you're heart out rogues.

There were no changes made to threat generation in this patch. You didn't take aggro because you did less damage than before. And you're happy about that? I really don't understand that viewpoint.

There's an argument to be made that the removal of quad procs makes our damage much more consistent. I doubt that there were many people that were threat capped pre-patch that are now magically free of that restriction, so having more predictable DPS means that you're able to maintain the threat line closer without fear of spiking your threat from a main hand quad proc and going splat.