[Shaman] Itemizing Enhancement at 70 - Page 52

Myrrdon · 06/29/07, 5:44 AM

Are there any mods out there that track personal stats? Such as, how often my stormstrike misses, how often my melee attacks are glancing blows, what percentage of my damage is coming from windfury attacks, etc. I am currently using recap, but it records everything for everyone around me, and its hogging up memory bad. I want something that just records my personal information. Any suggestions?

drats · 06/29/07, 5:56 PM

I use Kombat stats. It tracks each source of damage dealt seperately.

Has anyone else using the Relentless earthstorm diamond noticed their WF crits are getting more damage than they should be? My normal wf hits are for around 900-950 while my crits are always greater than 2100. I'm not complaining, but it seems a bit strange.

Myrrdon · 06/29/07, 7:01 PM

Originally Posted by drats

I use Kombat stats. It tracks each source of damage dealt seperately.

Thanks, it seems to be exactly what I wanted.

Suazo · 06/30/07, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by drats

I use Kombat stats. It tracks each source of damage dealt seperately.

Has anyone else using the Relentless earthstorm diamond noticed their WF crits are getting more damage than they should be? My normal wf hits are for around 900-950 while my crits are always greater than 2100. I'm not complaining, but it seems a bit strange.

with the additional AP from windfury, not to mention Astral Winds and 4/5, I can't see that being too far off.

Malan · 06/30/07, 5:30 PM

Agreed. Not strange at all. Check some WWS parses of guilds with well geared enhance shaman and their max WF crits are hitting in the 2800 range.

Ryley · 06/30/07, 7:29 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Agreed. Not strange at all. Check some WWS parses of guilds with well geared enhance shaman and their max WF crits are hitting in the 2800 range.

2800 seems really high, I consider myself to have "decent" gear and I'm pushing 3k AP with raid buffs and I only hit around 2-2.2k. Would getting a 330~ top end weapon really push WF numbers up that high?

Edit: Just noticed I have some weird PvP type gear on, I use a Fool's Bane MH.

Nemaa · 07/09/07, 8:24 PM

I'd like to ask your opinions of the following trinkets. I have currently:
Dragonspine Trophy
Darkmoon Card: Crusade

I'm soon exalted with the Ashtongue's to get this:
Ashtongue Talisman of Vision

I know it's not really good to go below 1.5 weapon speed and with bloodlust and this trinket + 4 piece t5 bonus my 2.7/2.6 weapons are way faster than 1.5. Which trinket shall I replace? I'm thinking about the Crusade card but its only ~17 ap upgrade. What shall I do?

Morelis · 07/09/07, 8:36 PM

Originally Posted by Nemaa

I'd like to ask your opinions of the following trinkets. I have currently:
Dragonspine Trophy
Darkmoon Card: Crusade

I'm soon exalted with the Ashtongue's to get this:
Ashtongue Talisman of Vision

I know it's not really good to go below 1.5 weapon speed and with bloodlust and this trinket + 4 piece t5 bonus my 2.7/2.6 weapons are way faster than 1.5. Which trinket shall I replace? I'm thinking about the Crusade card but its only ~17 ap upgrade. What shall I do?

There does appear to be a bit of a dead spot between 1.5 and 1.4 but keep in mind you'll still being doing a ton of damage at those times and anytime you're getting the haste procs and not below 1.5 it's a great buff. I'd be leery of a situation where flurry and passive haste alone would put you between 1.5 and 1.4, otherwise haste is a great stat that scales extremely well.

Malan · 07/09/07, 9:23 PM

Oops silly post.

Xoya · 07/09/07, 10:24 PM

Really? 275 AP for 10 seconds every 20 seconds seems like a lot, but I guess it has no static AP bonus to go with it. So let's see, that amounts to an average of 137.5 AP all the time. Bloodlust Brooch is 72 AP static and 278 AP for 20 seconds every two minutes, so 72 + 46 = 118 AP all the time. Am I doing this right? If so then the new trinket wins out.

Malan · 07/09/07, 10:32 PM

Oops I totally mis-spoke on that one. You're right.
Taken from my own post on the Collected Theorycraft thread -
Bloodlust Brooch - passive 72 AP that adds 278 for 20/120... 72+46.3 = 118.3 AP
Ashtongue Talisman - 50% chance to add 275 AP, roughly 50% uptime = 137.5 AP

Yah I was speaking from a shoddy memory - recalling correctly now, the chief complaint about the Ashtongue talisman was that since you can't control the proc you can't time it with shamanistic rage or bloodlust properly.

Nemaa · 07/10/07, 7:19 AM

I didn't mention bloodlust brooch, I was talking about the darkmoon card crusade which stacks up for 120 ap and 80 spell damage. Although I think I have the answer in Morelis' post. I think it will be dragonspine throphy + ashtongue.

Rob · 07/10/07, 2:02 PM

If we go with 1 haste rating = 1 str = 2 AP and assume Dragonspine Trophy has a PPM of 1 (Dragonspine Trophy Analysis) then it's equivalent to a constant 325*10/60*2 + 40 = 148.33 AP. So that's the best option, and it only gets better if PPM rises above 1 with Windfury procs/SS. However, this *is* assuming that the haste rating on it is correct, not 1/2 like is mentioned in some of the initial posts in that thread.

I'd wear the Ashtongue Talisman alongside it because the Crusade's AP bonus can fall off if you get a really unlucky string of misses/parries or have to move in a fight, and because the other bonuses provided by the Ashtongue Talisman are kind of convenient if you have to throw yourself a quick LHW.

Does anyone know Tsunami Talisman's PPM? I'm kind of curious. I expect the ranking to go
Dragonspine > Ashtongue > Tsunami > Bloodlust > Hourglass/Abacus. Then there's Madness of the Betrayer, and I don't know how to value that proc (-300 armor for 10 sec)

darkInertia · 07/11/07, 3:26 PM

Thot and wowhead says 10% chance on crit for Tsunami's buff. It probably has a hidden cooldown like hourglass does.

Khlysti · 07/11/07, 4:56 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Ashtongue Talisman - 50% chance to add 275 AP, roughly 50% uptime = 137.5 AP

As I said in the other thread, testing so far seems to have this as actually 50% chance per stormstrike attack to add 275 AP, roughly 75% uptime = 206.25 AP. Assuming this is intended it is very good indeed.

darkInertia · 07/11/07, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by Khlysti

As I said in the other thread, testing so far seems to have this as actually 50% chance per stormstrike attack to add 275 AP, roughly 75% uptime = 206.25 AP. Assuming this is intended it is very good indeed.

Hmm, but then you'd need to factor in the bug(feature?) where if the first MH SS misses, the OH isn't rolled for, correct? So, it'll be lower than 75% but higher than 50%

Malan · 07/11/07, 8:26 PM

Can you elaborate on this because I'm not understanding what you mean. You're saying that each hit of SS has a 50% chance to proc the effect?

Khlysti · 07/12/07, 12:35 AM

That was what I thought at first as dual wield ss was giving a proc rate of 75-80%, however after testing with only a mainhand weapon it seems to have the same proc rate as dual wield. As such it would seem the chance is simply far higher than the listed 50% but is not dependant on number of weapons used.

Dunnagh · 07/12/07, 3:09 AM

Ok, let me just sum up this whole thing here, as I am a complete newbie to theoriecraft (not so new to enhancement after all... 2.5 years now

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As I understand it, the values to have are STR, %crit and %hit and of these about:
2200 AP
27%crit
22%hit

Now I do not have a problem with hit (19%) or crit (28%), but with AP (1374 unbuffed).
This is mainly because I raid Karazhan and take every "Enhancement looking" gear I can get my hands on. Problem is: I have tons of Int and Mp/5 on these things (+on my ebon dragonscale set).
For Weapons i have Fool´s Bane and Moroes´s dagger (which i will replace with the slow arena-axe soon).

So: my obvious question is: how will I get more AP? I mean, it´s not like 150AP, but I need another 800! Merciless Gladiatior Set will have much strength on it - but at the cost of %hit...

So: where do I start? I am quiet pleased with my current performance - but knowing there could be MUCH more and NOT knowing how to get there is a bit frustrating.

(2) Second question: every time I see a socket in here it´s filled with +8STR. Is it REALLY the choice to take? Or shouldn´t I get other gems fitting that socket (like +4STR, +4crit = yellow gem) to get the socket bonus ?

for anyone who would investigate my problem further: the link to the german armory.
The Armory

aroma · 07/12/07, 6:15 AM

Don't worry about your AP, it's perfectly fine. The value 2200 was used for determining raid-DPS output as far as I know, and it's pretty much impossible to reach unbuffed.
If you look at the armory profiles of the top geared shamans like Sebudai or Stigmata, you'll see that even they reach "only" into the 15xx regions of AP.

Fully buffed you should easily reach 2200 AP when you add your totem, flask/elixir, Battleshout, MotW, BoK, SR and maybe even BoM.

Dunnagh · 07/12/07, 7:16 AM

you actually get an other blessing than Wisdom?
Our Pally always bestows Wisdom upon us... and in the REALLY seldom case that there are two we get aggroreduce too. *grmpf*

but: thank you for soothing me:-)

Ardonomus · 07/12/07, 7:59 AM

Originally Posted by Dunnagh

you actually get an other blessing than Wisdom?
Our Pally always bestows Wisdom upon us... and in the REALLY seldom case that there are two we get aggroreduce too. *grmpf*

but: thank you for soothing me:-)

In 25 man instances we usually run with 3-4 paladins. Sadly due to me being the only enhancement shaman, I get wisdom\kings\salvation\might in that order. Currently trying to convince our raid leaders to always bring 4 paladins, but then there's the problem of them having to be online at the same time..

But as he said, with raid buffs and proper group setups, you should be looking at 2k+ AP so no worries!

Malan · 07/12/07, 8:24 AM

Keep in mind that if you have an Expose Weakness hunter in the raid you're getting another 200 (I think) AP for free every time he crits, but its not reported in the char tab since its a debuff on the boss.

Emily · 07/12/07, 8:53 AM

Slap your Paladins to give you a 5 min buff on pull, and poke them to refresh it if the fight is going to last a while.

Nifty01 · 07/12/07, 11:48 AM

I got the Ashtongue Trinket a few Days ago and noticed it was proccing alot better than 50%. So i went to the invincible Mob in Blasted Lands and hit him 200 times with SS resulting in 191 Proccs. Even if every hit of 2 SS hits with Dualwield had a 50% procc chance, it shouldnt procc better than 75%, but its actually proccing 95%.
It must be bugged somehow, and while it is, 275 passive ap is simply amasing to have :p (please dont make a bug report about it on official Forums

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