I've just heard from a cross-server enh shaman applicant to my guild that the trinket url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28785The Lightning Capacitor - Items - World of Warcraft[/url] is now able to proc on stormstrike crits. Unfortunately I don't have the trinket myself to confirm this, so if anyone does have it could you please check if it does?

If this is true it would seem likely to make this a very effective trinket choice.. since it would also benefit from the SS debuff (and wouldn't degrade your own shocks performance since you only use 1 earth shock between SSes since cycling with flame shock). But to be honest I have no idea how to model its performance relative to other trinkets. And ofc it may be false information that it procs..

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Seems your applicant is telling tales Malevolencia.

Thanks, good to know.

Well, the main thing is that I can't see taking it over a mage (or elemental shaman) who is chain casting spells that can crit. Our spell crit rate for ES and FS is fairly abysmal with a typical 0/42/19 spec and gear. Still, I guess considering that each hand can crit on SS, this could be a good DPS trinket for us -- I just don't want to do the ugly math. Or maybe...
Assuming 30% crit rate on melee.
SS = 9% for both hands to crit, 51% for only one to crit, 40% for none to crit. Expected 0.69 crits/10 sec = 0.069 crit/sec
Assuming 5% crit rate on shocks.
0.05 crit/6 sec = 0.00833 crit/sec
Total = 0.07733 crit/sec * avg 700 damage/3 crits = 18.044 dps

Someone else will have to check my math, probability's not my strong point Feel free to convert the 18 DPS to an AEP too.

Edit: damn, ignore this since SS crits don't proc Lightning Capacitor.

Hey Disquette,

I was wondering if you could run some numbers through your program for me: I'm interested in comparing the 4piece tier 5 set vs. using non-set pieces. Could you please run the following two setups?

tier 5
2420 AP
28.22% crit (422.2 CR + talents + base)
21.22% hit (193 HR + talents)
+5% flurry (35% total)
assume relentless earthstorm diamond (+3% crit damage)

not tier 4
2432 AP
30.51% crit chance (472.6 CR + talents + base)
20.39% hit (180 HR + talents)
30% flurry
relentless earthstorm diamond (+3% crit damage)

Thanks

You can download the java sim on the front page of this thread and run it yourself, its very simple to set up.

The Enhancement Shaman Lootzor link you use does not have option for haste rating values. I'm curious how good is the craftable shoulders dropped from BT trash, Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes.

Comparison of Shoulders of the Hidden Predator and Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes
Shoulders of the Hidden Predator
Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes

Using the formula 1CR = 1STR = 2AP = 1,43HR = 0,9 HasteR = 1.02 AGI

Shoulders of the Hidden Predator
38 agi / 1,02 = 35,294
26 critr / 1 = 26
76 ap / 2 = 38
Total value = 99,3

Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes
27 agi / 1,02 = 26,47
37 haster / 0,9 = 41,11
74 ap / 2 = 37
Total value = 104,58

Also Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes has some int what makes it even better. Am I doing something wrong?

Intellect is essentially wasted itemization points. A larger mana pool isn't helping you much as long as you took Shamanistic Rage. (if you didn't take SR, its value may differ)

I see, but without counting intellect it seems Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes is still better than Shoulders of the Hidden Predator.

Only fight where 6-7k mana has been a problem for me, a mana pot, SR and 2 innervates prevented me blowing up :p

WTB innervate! I get a mana pot/Demonic rune, SR and then I run out to die.

Innervate is more useful for the real casters. With about 150 buffed spirit I think it's a wasted innervate. I usually drink a fel mana potion, use drums of restoration, shamanistic rage, dark rune/demonic rune and use some shadow resist gear (Medallion of Karabor (40) and the shadow resist back (40+15). If I'm lucky I resist enough Mark of Kazrogals and I can stay in till he dies.

It was my first time on that boss, and the druids gave me the innervates without me asking.

Last night we killed it again, and I slightly adjusted my mana conservation.

We had BoW on the boss which helped alot, 1st drain did nothing, (bow took care of that) second took a mana pot, 3rd and 4th did nothing, then popped SR got back up to full by the time the 5th hit and then he died and I was on 6.5k mana.

Obviously I didn't use any shocks and only dropped totems.

FYI, I'm writing an addon to properly log flurry uptime, windfury mh/oh (using some statistics) and stormstrike.
So if someone else is writing similar, we probably should combine our efforts.

Kaz is definitely annoying since he drops nice legs and the t6 gloves are actually really nice. But I agree not shocking is really all that is necessary as long as JoW is up.

Also in comparing these two...

Shoulders of the Hidden Predator
38 agi / 1,02 = 35,294
26 critr / 1 = 26
76 ap / 2 = 38
Total value = 99,3

Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes
27 agi / 1,02 = 26,47
37 haster / 0,9 = 41,11
74 ap / 2 = 37
Total value = 104,58

I think you should throw in Mantle of Darkness
Mantle of Darkness - Items - World of Warcraft
Which I consider to be the best piece for non-leatherworkers.

Also rogues are outright drooling for T6 so there is not as much competition as you might think.

I think it's not that good, lets see the values:
1CritR = 1.02 AGI = 1STR = 2,2AP = 1,43HitR = 0,9 HasteR
Considering kings, 1STR = 2,2AP

Shoulders of the Hidden Predator
38 agi / 1,02 = 35,294
26 critr / 1 = 26
76 ap / 2,2 = 34,55
Total value = 95,84

Shoulders of Lightning Reflexes
27 agi / 1,02 = 26,47
37 haster / 0,9 = 41,11
74 ap / 2,2 = 33,64
Total value = 101,22

Mantle of Darkness
22 hitr / 1,43 = 15,38
33 critr / 1 = 33
94 ap / 2,2 = 42,72
Total value = 91,107

Our rogues need it anyway

Edit: Here's an other LW crafted shoulder in leather:
Swiftstrike Shoulders
29 agi / 1,02 = 28,43
38 haster / 0,9 = 42,22
74 ap / 2,2 = 33,64
Total value = 104,29

It has more stamina but no intellect. I think I'll stick to the crafted mail one.

Has anyone done some work with weighing stats for PvP? I've seem some good work done for the PvE raid environment, but I'd like to know if there are some values I can plug into Lootzor regarding the best gear for general Battleground and Arena PvP. I do realize that battlegrounds and the arena may have different weights, but I'd like to start working on a general PvP armor set. Is the GM/HWL set the best? If not, some stat weights to plug into Lootzor would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I just use the same values as the PvE gear in pawn, but remove hit rating, and the additional weights for Kings. Then put a little preference for crit over AP, along with increasing stam and resilience to top priority.

["CritRating"] = 2,
["Strength"] = 1.6,
["Agility"] = 1.8,
["Stamina"] = 1.8,
["Ap"] = 0.8,
["Resilience"] = 2,


Although I admittedly didn't spend too much time perfectly tweaking it, as due to the resilience itemization, you really end up just using all the PvP reward items anyway. Which makes it not very difficult to figure out what to wear. With the exception of some random resilience jewelery.

Quick question, is the tier four, four piece bonus, worth anything or should I ignore it and go for pure stats?

Currently Using the Skulker's Greaves - Items - World of Warcraft with Three +8 Strength gems and Nethercobra Leg armor.

As opposed to the Cyclone War-Kilt - Items - World of Warcraft and I'm wondering if I should start farming for another Nethercobra Leg armor.

Four piece T4 is roughly 6 dps or 4.5 dps depending whether the offhand penalty applies. I'm still using [Greaves of Desolation] over the T4 legs, I'd think Skulker's would probably be better.

just do what i do, just be the UR and totem guy for the melee group. I stat as much mp5 gear(tidal lurker helm - CAAWWWW ftw lol) and Max SR gear. Im only at 8k mana but i resisted all but 4 marks and those were counterd with 2 SR and 1 pot. But like you say having JoW up was way easier.

Also you guys need to realize that haste is getting nerfed in the patch(or at least current ptr it takes more haste than live) so buying something youll have for a week would not be the best bet. Personally im going to try and get a 4 piece t5 and get the shoulders from akama that way i should have roughly the same haste with flurry up as i do now with some haste items and yet have more AP/crit since ill be replacing them with better stat items.

Question I have is though, will Unstoppable Aggressor's Ring - Items - World of Warcraft be better than Band of Devastation - Items - World of Warcraft in the next patch or will it still be better because of the ammount of haste?

Congrats, he posted that over a month ago, and you're weeks behind on telling us about haste.