Beatrice

To not derail the tank enchant thread, here we go:

What would be the best dps enchants now available to warriors? I feel as if a handful are pretty straight forward, however, weapon enchants are really giving my mind a churn.

Sader seems pretty outpaced now, but, I'm not so hot w/ math. I presently use the new +str enchants. I'm considerring Mongoose when I can scrounge together the mats, but, what kind of dps changes do you think one would see between the two?

As a whole, what sort of enchants would be the most beneficial?

 

Garm

Mongoose seems like a great enchant for DW Fury. I personally don't have access to it right now so it would be hard to say if it is better than the 80 AP that is two Potency enchants.

If you're talking enchants for a 2H then +35 agi might be the way to go. I only say this because it seems like crit is an area that we are really suffering on right now.

 

Beatrice

Indeed. That was one of my bigest points of focus. Right now, our crit is pretty abysmal. I would be willing to guess that the aspd boost would help as well.

 

dr_AllCOM3

For DW Mongoose is the best, Potency is pretty close. MH Mongoose, OH Potency if you ask me (or double Mongoose^^).

 

Tel

Currently duel wielding mongoose (as a rogue obviously) on Malchazeen and Searing Sunblade, and the uptime is ridiculous. Its almost constantly procced with weapons of that speed with SnD up, and obviously the haste gained from it proccing increases the odds of it proccing again while its already up, refreshing the duration (not uncommon). It double procs as well 9one off each hand) and they stack much like crusader did. As a rogue its AMAZING, as it adds AP too, however I'm not sure how much of a gain a warrior would get over the AP enchants tbh.

 

Andrise

So Mongoose doesn't stack two procs if it procs again while you have it on both weapons like crusader did?

 

Stankenstein

Your question was answered in the previous post.

 

Grymm

I'm MHing Decapitator/OH Malchazeen at the moment which is probably the best weapon combo I will have for a while. I've developed a severe distaste for running heroics while not being prot specced so I won't be upgrading my Planar for a bit. The downside is we don't have a mongoose enchanter in guild yet. I'm pretty sure there is one on the server but it's also pretty expensive. For now, I'm sticking with dual potency. I've gotten my zerker crit back up to 27.2% unbuffed so I'm not hurting for crit too much. If I could get the inciter cloak to drop and actually enchant my cloak/boots with agility, I'd have pretty good crit and feel better about stacking more AP.

 

B.Lan

Hm. Why not use Crusader anymore?
It still gives me 60 strength. And it still procs quite often. I would say, the uptime of crusader is sufficient to justify the loss of 20 strength permanently for having 60 strength when it procs.
Atm i'm using dual Crusader, but i will change that to MH-crusader and OH-potency when i get my next OH. Dual Crusader is not worth the loss of 20 strength given by the ofhand potency. But i'm still convinced that MH-crusader is better than potency.

Am i completely mistaken?

 

thebazel

Well I'm using Drakefist Hammer and I have crusader on it since I want to wait for the second tier for getting mongoose. I was surprised how much Crusader has actually been procing, even in pvp it's almost always up. I'm like the above poster that I enjoy the almost always 60 str than the definitely always 20 but when I get Dragonmaw I will most likely go mongoose main hand, potency offhand.

On a slight derailment, any other Drakefist users out there have suggestions on offhands? I obviously want Blackout Truncheon to try out super haste mode, but it's a bit weak for my tastes. I've honestly never gone with a slow offhand and was wondering if it's adviseable? I'm looking at the 2.7 speed gladiator/pvp maces to offhand but is there any downside to not having a faster offhand?

 

Emeraude

40 static AP > random procs.

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Beatrice

If you want an easilly (depending on server) attainable item, go ahead and consider picking up a Runic Hammer.

It takes 5 Hard Adamantite bars, 8 Primal Might and 2 Primal nether. Not to bad, really. It's sort of slow, but, with the changes that are coming today that should matter much less.


On the note of crusader: That is a good point. I haven't run single sader in so long I forget how often it is up by it's own right.

I believe that it was mathed out before (I'm bad at math so I can't really reproduce this) to being effectively 25 strength for long duration dps. If it is 40% worse now, which it is, then would you not be able to assume it's worth about 15 str.

Going off this idea, if my math is correct, for, say, raid dps, 20 str would be superior, yes?

 

• Elic

Crusader at 70 averages out to about +20 str MH, +13 str OH. For a fury warrior, mongoose and potency on the MH are about even, the dps increase from the AP is about the same as the increase from the additional crit. On the OH, potency always comes out on top because it doesn't have all those instant attacks to proc it. For an arms warrior, I would go mongoose all the way.

Numbers taken from the spreadsheet.

 

Ren

I know it may not be always a good idea to link to the official forums; this looks interesting though: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...81951284&sid=1

Mongoose seems to increase your attack speed by 2% but it actually reduces your AP contribution by 2% as well, so that in the end there's no DPS benefit from the haste increase.

 

dr_AllCOM3

Do haste effects increase or decrease the chance to proc something?
It should be an increase, since it's PPM, but rage gained is lowered.

 

IceBox

Potency all the way imho :>
I don't really need the crit when I'm raidbuffed so I don't think that it will push my dps over dual potency while raiding and raiding is what I'm optimizing for.

Rage gained stays the same over the same time.

What I am asking me is, does Abaccus or Dragonspine Trophy also lowers the damage per hit or just pushing the dps?

 

sp00n

Wow. This really sucks.
So basically your weapon changes from 1.9 speed to 1.86, with the corresponding lower damage range.
I really hope that is just a bug, since the tooltip for mongoose doesn't state such an behaviour. Opposed to the tooltip for seal of crusader, which clearly states such an behaviour:
"The Paladin also attacks 40% faster, but deals less damage with each attack."

According to Thottbot it's the same buff type, Apply Aura: Mod Attack Speed.

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