The only way they can justify that is if they give warriors tranq shot to deal with enraged bearform druids.

Saddened by this change, the rough 15% dps drop. The change will also impact guilds thinking about taking an enh shaman for lager raids.

If they buff every single member of their group's dps by ~10% or more, they can do significantly less individual dps than a rogue or warrior and still allow the raid to do more damage. 110*4 +85 > 100 x 5.

The reason my guild usually takes them is for unleashed rage and for the synergies they have with warriors and feral druids. More crit, more ap, more flurry uptime, more rage, what's not to like?

Resto shamans belong in the healer/shadowpriest group imo, it's a completely different function in a larger raid. With the changes to wrath of air, it seems that's a perfect spot for them.

It's not just that having different ranks on weapons circumvents the 3 second rule, it also causes strange four hit streaks from either main hand or off hand. Also it seems that sometimes the offhand windfury hits do not get the -50% penalty for melee attacks from offhand. It needs to be fixed somehow, but I don't think the 3 second cd is the right way. Or if Blizzard doesn't want us to have dual windfury, they should just make it impossible to have windfury enchanted weapon in offhand.

But I think most of the cries from rogues come from rogues who don't bother to perfect their combat skill cycles. For an enhancement shaman the optimal cycle is to press stormstrike every 10 seconds and then a shock button every 6 seconds. And that is something even a handless donkey can do.

My wish simply is that Blizzard would state if pve enhancement shaman is supposed to be raid viable even when not buffing 4 warriors in the group or at least to see the changes in ptr or specified somewhere else. That way I could decide if I use the t4 tokens on healing or elemental or enhancement gear.

DW is extremely bursty, unreliable, and usually just plain bad in PvP, and completely threat-capped in PvE. They're absolutely comparable to old fury warriors. Without BoSalv, raid dps is simply out of the question, even with it caution is required (not sure to what degree the Unleashed Rage bug is affecting our threat, though). I carry invuln pots at all times because I can still occasionally pull aggro at the very end of a fight, or at the very beginning if somebody mis-blessed me.

I could never consistently beat rogues, or fury warriors with the benefit of my totems and UR, but I could beat everyone else in a single-target dps situation reliably.

That said, I'm fine with the nerf so long as we are buffed in other ways to improve our hybrid-ness. Right now the best idea I have is to replace Mental Quickness in deep Enhance with a talent that adds 10/20/30% of your ap to spell damage and healing, this would bring us up to 800 or so damage/healing in a raid situation and make our totems/shocks/heals a more significant part of our dps. Right now as an enhance shaman gears for dps it becomes less and less time-efficient to heal, eventually when we're in tier 6 or 7, our heals will be hitting for 1k on targets with 15k hp and we'll just remove them from our bars (if we haven't already, lolz). I also think the tier 5 2pc bonus is an awesome idea and probably should be a talented ability (2% on hit of proccing a buff that makes your next LHW cast instantly, therefore not breaking your autoattack). But again, those 1k LHWs are kind of pointless, hence why we need the benefit of an AP->spellpower conversion.

And Spirit Weapons needs to affect all of our damage done, not just melee damage.

This cooldown has been in game since they changed windfury to not proc off itself. Nothing will change for the totem.

While a global 3 second cooldown might seem excessive, something needs to be done to fix windfury proccing off itself. The DPS of a well-geared enhancement shaman is just too high and a 10% reduction might well be in order. Currently DW shamans are well capable of pulling far ahead of all dedicated DPS classes with only stormstrike and autoattack-windfury, no shocks, no fire totems and minimal mana investment. Combat rogues need to keep up a strict skill rotation in order to maximize their output, that shamans can easily be on par with just using stormstrike on every cooldown sounds pretty wrong in my ears.

I am positive, that once our DPS output is brought in line, the devs will look at lacking aspects of the class, as well. Currently, however, high DPS is our own hurdle just like paladins' bubble.

Ok that explains a lot, I never read too much into the enhancement cross ranking side the fact that it would proc itself, i wasn't aware that it was forcing it to ignore the 3 second rule though thats sort of common sense. : /

Since this seems to be a general enhance and whats wrong thread, first some quotes of what I said in durnitol's thread.

As it stands my damage is stupid, I played a priest in our naxx raiding days, but I know well enough where threat caps, and I don't know any TBC encounter where I can't pull aggro late on if I choose to go all out.

If we get a dps that fits with current WF 5/5 thats fine with me, if blizzard actually itemise enhancement gear sensibly. Shamanistic rage basically says we do not need mp5 on gear, at all, ever. With my current gear my raid buffed mana pool is ~8k and I fill it from 0->full with 1 shamanistic rage, clearly its less than this if I spam abilities as SR is up (but since I struggle to use 8k in 1 min 30 anyway...) the point stands that in the vast majority of raid fights I need 0 MP5 on gear.

Lets just keep it simple, remove the stupid burst I have quoted above and give simple sensible sustainable damage. Thats what we need, if we want silly burst we cant throw on a 2 hander and hope for a double crit WF, not just dual wield and fluke a 4 crit that gives us an aggro death sentance on most things.

How can you say that you have no aggro issues and mention that you can get aggro and die in the same post?

Erm, unless I missed something quite horribly I haven't claimed I have no aggro issues, I know what will and will not give me aggro, but I have no control over what I do with WF procs as a shaman, hence I have issues even where I should not.

Well yes, I'm just anticipating where our current threat issues will lead, given increasing gear power. I don't pull aggro or die often, no more than an irresponsible rogue, but of course once I pull aggro I have less options available to me to survive. Like fury warriors, our dps will (would..) quickly outpace tank threat generation, and aggro will become more and more of a problem in the future.

This DPS nerf hurts but I think it could end up being a good thing, IF the devs improve us in other departments, creating a more dynamic play experience, rather than SPAM COOLDOWNS RARRRRRR. That's a big if, though. And those improvements should be patched in alongside the nerf, or the angst will be extreme.