I could do the same on the failure of balance druids and the worthlessness that is Moonkin

Perhaps someday we could talk Blizzard into deleting the Balance tree, making a Cat and Bear tree, and bringing with it world peace and harmony in one fell swoop.

ill be honest. I've played since launch, and I've still never understood the point or purpose to the balance tree :P

Reasonable minds may differ, of course.

It was nice in v.early wow, but then they 'fixed' things and made it shitty while making other things good.

As to Balance's purpose; timesink of making players spend ages getting the best non-set gear available and trying to prove its not worthless, kinda worked I guess.

Beast Mastery is almost as bad for PvE, however atleast they made it PvP friendly, Moonkins are just there to take the initial nuke instead of a healer or something in PvP but I spose when they die atleast the team doesn't loose much.


Oh and instead of idling in Shattrath I decided to do something just as pointless, I redesigned the Resto Tree:
http://talents.unleashedgaming.net/?p=vt&i=12126
The [+] icon means I changed it, and the 'normal' icons were annoying to put in and are ment to be the real ones.

Basicly has some talents buff Tree Form, makes PvP more viable and attempts to make Regrowth more worthwhile.

Probly really overpowered and yada yada


Didn't have the will to touch the Balance tree without the support of Alcohol and a Barge Pole.

Theres some awesome comedy talent trees to come out of that site.

http://talents.unleashedgaming.net/?p=vt&i=3434

for example.

Edit: Revising my Class/Sig.

When the going gets tough, the druids start playing their warrior alts again.

Seriously though, even if this nerf never happened my future as a feral druid depends solely on itemization. If I'm stuck wearing shadowmoon valley quest items while warriors graduate to tier 6 then that's just as bad as being nerfed into oblivion.

I've still got SOME faith that they'll redesign our tier sets to not entirely suck. But for now it looks like I'll be getting my warrior caught up gear and rep-wise before it's entirely too late.

I don't see why people keep thinking that cat form does sub-par DPS. I'll admit I am somewhat inexperienced and yes, my guild isn't that far (we only have Nightbane left and have yet to get 25 people online for Malgaur, but he'll go down shortly after we do) but I'm confident that I'll be able to be top DPS in a lot of the fights. You can't have blizzard redesign tier 4/5 for tanking just becaue that's what you enjoy doing the most as a druid...

Then again, it's almost like six of one, half a dozen of the other. Our tiered set is either for feral tanking or feral dps, and for proper itemization, they'll need to put in assorted epics to the other trees anyways.

So I was arguing with some server people about druid tanking, of course they're of the opinion that Prot warriors should be the best choice no matter what. I was about to quote our class description where it says "Forms are as powerful as, but less versatile than their counterparts" lo and behold, Blizzard changed our class descrption, strengths, and weaknesses again. "Animal forms are not as powerful as their counterpart classes"

At least they fixed our "Possesses the most powerful buff in the game" to "Possesses a powerful buff that's beneficial to all classes"

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/

Does anyone else have a feeling that the goalposts are moving so fast that the ball will never reach them?

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Every time the druid class falls into a lull, I keep thinking back to that stupid class description they once had for us, where our purpose was to provide humor to the world of Azeroth. That about sums things up. And as the last 5 weeks have shown, when you allow the circus clown class to be a real class, people get uppity.

For my part, I'm leveling the 60 warrior I put away about 18 months ago. If you can't beat them, join them. Top PvE class (main tank is the top PvE class), #1 arena PvP class, and they used to be the #1 PvE dps class (and I suspect they will be again before too long). Seriously, if you can't beat them, join them.

Here is the 2004 druid class description, courtesy of the wayback machine.

Ah yes. It all sounds so exciting..

"Forms are not as versatile as their counterpart classes, but might be considered as powerful"

Depressing that they saw fit to remove such a qualifier, but I suppose it was contentious from the beginning. One that they removed confuses me:

"Transform into cool-looking animals that impress other players and add a lot of character, flavor, and humor to the world"

Which they changed to:

"Can transform into various animal forms which provide unique abilities."

I think they could have safely left the humor part in there, with a qualifier about the humor generally not being appreciated by druids themselves.

*grin*

Doublechecking my class description to make sure I'm falling into my "intended roles" isn't something I thought I'd have to do.

Hehe, what unique abilities?

I know I'm nitpicking, but that description just seems strange to me. I think 'powerful but not as versatile forms' is a lot closer to the truth.

50% chance on shift to make other classes jealous you can change the color of your second bar.

Zyla is that black spot in your avatar supposed to be a bear or a night elf cat form or what?

Looks like some kind of rock to me, dont forget Pounce, Ferocious Bite, Frenzied Regeneration, and Boomkin Aura!

Well, to be totally honest and fair we do have some nice abilities, although they are not quite unique (since other classes have them in some form or another)

track humanoids, sea form (faster swimming and underwater breathing), sleep, soothe animal... yes, those are not at all useful for raiding (unless you wanted to swim to Onyxia faster), but they are useful for grinding and just the general feeling you have "other" spells.

Not to mention that whenever i feel the "druid issue" is making me very upset, I remember i got to experience every aspect of the game in just one character - healing, tanking, melee dps, caster dps - and yes, with itemization holes, drastic and unsufficient changes and a lot of other problems, but i still saw instances in different point of view and radically different playstyles.

This made me appreciate other classes and the game more.

I think it got shrank too much. Its a bear

go go quick and dirty MS paint work.

Fixed it to look more like a bear.

I don't know if outside classes are allowed in this feral fest, but things like innervate, combat res, abolish poison (hello Maexxna) etc. are pretty good. Also as a rogue, getting a mangle on a mob in a raiding environment is a really sweet boost to a finisher, especially when using a druid tank with no armor reduction.

Last I checked, no other class have any other abilities which work like these. Maybe abolish vs poison totem, but there's a reason why you still used it, because it ticks a lot faster than the totem pulses.

The quote we were responding to was about the "animal forms." Caster form, which has all those abilities you just said, is not an "animal form."

In other words: no outside classes! GRRRR

Vampiric Touch, Blessing of Wisdom, Mana Stream/Tide Totem. None of which cause the caster doing what they're specced to do (this is a feral thread, remember) to take +400% damage (bearform while tanking -> caster to innervate = )

Soul stone.

Misery, Shadowweaving, Sunder Armor, Improved Kidney Shot...

I must've missed some massive changes in beta.