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Old 03/05/07, 5:19 AM   #61
Miriam
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Night Elf Druid
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Originally Posted by Tristanian View Post
The Moonglade set fails more than Genesis, when it comes to raiding.
I socketed and enchanted the Moonglade helm and shoulders for healing, i.e. mostly for PvE. It doesn't seem that bad really, i counted the total stats for these 2 pieces together as follows (incl. 4 blue gems + HH helm enchant +scryers _honored_ enchant):
+36 sta
+47 int
+35 spi
+162 healing
+14 mp5
Meta gem: 2% on spellcast - next spell instant cast (to be changed somewhat in next patch)
set bonus: Your Rejuvenation spell now also grants 35 dodge rating.

And of course there's also a total of 57 points of useless (for PvE healing) str/agi, but all in all, it's not that bad. That's mostly due to sockets, i checked thottbot for other blue leather helm/shoulder pieces for healing, and they all lack sockets. Plus those nice healing shoulders from Botanica will get nerfed. Of course, if you are further in the raiding game then you probably have epics that are much better and have sockets too, but my raid guild is just starting in Karazhan so I can see myself wearing those 2 pieces for a while.

But yeah, I also have the moonglade chest and legs in the bank and I have no idea what to do with them. My spec is 0/30/31 but I prefer my gear to be single-purpose.

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Old 03/05/07, 5:35 AM   #62
Tristanian
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Kor'gall (EU)
Originally Posted by Miriam View Post
I socketed and enchanted the Moonglade helm and shoulders for healing, i.e. mostly for PvE. It doesn't seem that bad really, i counted the total stats for these 2 pieces together as follows (incl. 4 blue gems + HH helm enchant +scryers _honored_ enchant):
+36 sta
+47 int
+35 spi
+162 healing
+14 mp5
Meta gem: 2% on spellcast - next spell instant cast (to be changed somewhat in next patch)
set bonus: Your Rejuvenation spell now also grants 35 dodge rating.

And of course there's also a total of 57 points of useless (for PvE healing) str/agi, but all in all, it's not that bad. That's mostly due to sockets, i checked thottbot for other blue leather helm/shoulder pieces for healing, and they all lack sockets. Plus those nice healing shoulders from Botanica will get nerfed. Of course, if you are further in the raiding game then you probably have epics that are much better and have sockets too, but my raid guild is just starting in Karazhan so I can see myself wearing those 2 pieces for a while.

But yeah, I also have the moonglade chest and legs in the bank and I have no idea what to do with them. My spec is 0/30/31 but I prefer my gear to be single-purpose.
Ofc it depends on what gear you were using up to that point, I'm not debating the fact that some pieces may be viable upgrades but overall if you are in a guild that allows you to obtain better gear I'd settle for less to get better in the long run (saving gems as well). As for meta gems, the problem with them at the moment is the pure fact that they practically require you to "break" older sets (so to speak) in order to activate a marginal (and in many cases, unreliable) bonus.

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Old 03/05/07, 6:11 AM   #63
Mearis
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Exactly what fight on heroic do you need 2 'pure healers' for? The most healing intensive heroic fight I have done so far is the endboss of slavepens if you don't keep the druid for the nature buff alive, and that's perfectly doable with one main healer with ashadow priest assist healing.

The lack of an ooc rez for druids just means that if you have a resto druid as the main healer you can bring another hybrid (shadow priest, enh/ele shaman, prot paladin, etc) into the group for the rezzing.

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Old 03/05/07, 6:12 AM   #64
 Lorewanderer
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Originally Posted by Drauk View Post
I'm curios, what are those stages of grief are ?
1. Denial: Cat form.
Prowl. Maybe I can hide from this patch!
2. Anger: Shift to caster.
Yell at devs. Yell at warriors on the forums who wouldn't stop posting nerf threads.
3. Bargaining: Shift to bear.
"Maybe just the AC and HP nerfs? Ok, damage nerfs are ok, but maybe return threat modifiers?"
4. Depression: Shift back to caster (naturally).
Do math on 41 point resto. Cry.
5. Acceptance. Teleport: Moonglade, respec 34/0/27, shift to Moonkin.
/dance. All worries forgotten!


Honestly though, I've been looking at our (very small) guild's probable Heroics core, and I'm thinking 34/0/27 is going to work out pretty well for me.

A resto shaman, a def paladin and I will be more or less the core of the group. The paladin specifically rolled to tank and the shaman likes healing. I've tried all of the specs, and while I very much enjoy bear tanking, this seems to be the most useful as a hybrid healer. The complimentary talents really seem to work well.

In theory, I'd like to play the moonkn as somewhat of an offtank. I *think* that with a bit of pvp gear I'll be able to have the AC/sta to hold up to a beating without undue sacrifices in actual damage output. I actually tanked a few bosses as I was levelling balance, and while they weren't exactly easy fights that way (particualarly obvious after coming back and doing them as a bear) they were doable. I would only be doing this on trash--the pally would be the main tank. I'd heal or DPS as needed the rest of the time.

Does it seem reasonable to expect it will work in higher content?

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Old 03/05/07, 7:26 AM   #65
Mearis
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You can offtank fine in regular content, but I don't think you'll be able to offtank anything of significance in heroics as a moonkin for extended periods.

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Old 03/05/07, 7:35 AM   #66
Tristanian
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Kor'gall (EU)
Originally Posted by Mearis View Post
Exactly what fight on heroic do you need 2 'pure healers' for? The most healing intensive heroic fight I have done so far is the endboss of slavepens if you don't keep the druid for the nature buff alive, and that's perfectly doable with one main healer with ashadow priest assist healing.

The lack of an ooc rez for druids just means that if you have a resto druid as the main healer you can bring another hybrid (shadow priest, enh/ele shaman, prot paladin, etc) into the group for the rezzing.
Try Shattered Halls/Arcatraz Heroic. While most (if not all fights) are doable with the odd group, that doesn't mean its optimal or diminishes the chances that something will go wrong that you will not recover from with 1 person taking all the healing strain.

In theory, I'd like to play the moonkn as somewhat of an offtank. I *think* that with a bit of pvp gear I'll be able to have the AC/sta to hold up to a beating without undue sacrifices in actual damage output. I actually tanked a few bosses as I was levelling balance, and while they weren't exactly easy fights that way (particualarly obvious after coming back and doing them as a bear) they were doable. I would only be doing this on trash--the pally would be the main tank. I'd heal or DPS as needed the rest of the time.

Does it seem reasonable to expect it will work in higher content?
Depends on your definition of higher content. If you mean raids/heroics then chances are it won't work as expected. The moonkin lacks a lot of utility, ability wise, when it comes to tanking in comparison to the bear not to mention aggro generating, damage reducing talents.

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Old 03/05/07, 7:35 AM   #67
Playered
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Twisting Nether (EU)
Originally Posted by Mearis View Post
You can offtank fine in regular content, but I don't think you'll be able to offtank anything of significance in heroics as a moonkin for extended periods.
With the equal armor, and the superior threat generation from bear form - if you get enough stamina gear you can replace Warriors once more!

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Old 03/05/07, 8:59 AM   #68
Leil
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Human Warlock
 
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Originally Posted by Kelyas View Post

Good luck getting into a heroic group unless you're feral.
Raiding Balance Druid here with 750+ Spellpower and 23% chance to crit.

I DPS pretty effing hard, and I'm thinking soon that people will start noticing the Boomkin is not what it used to be - and is now quite PVE viable. I'm topping mages sometimes, but these mages are lesser geared. Same thing with Warlocks.

I've had more requests on my server for my DPS than I have for my heals or tanking ability sum total. This is mainly b/c if shit hits the fan, I can pop a tranquility, a battle rez, and shift back up and keep nuking if I Innervate myself. All that costs me my whole bar of mana damn near. But yeah that's the "oh shit heroic useful" side of balance.

Just got to be a good player. Every spec and class has its use in heroics.

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Old 03/05/07, 9:04 AM   #69
Playered
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Originally Posted by Leil View Post
Raiding Balance Druid here with 750+ Spellpower and 23% chance to crit.

I DPS pretty effing hard, and I'm thinking soon that people will start noticing the Boomkin is not what it used to be - and is now quite PVE viable. I'm topping mages sometimes, but these mages are lesser geared. Same thing with Warlocks.

I've had more requests on my server for my DPS than I have for my heals or tanking ability sum total. This is mainly b/c if shit hits the fan, I can pop a tranquility, a battle rez, and shift back up and keep nuking if I Innervate myself. All that costs me my whole bar of mana damn near. But yeah that's the "oh shit heroic useful" side of balance.

Just got to be a good player. Every spec and class has its use in heroics.
I found with with mediocre (550, but high endurance) gear pulling agro was far too common due to 0 threat reduction in 5mans, in raiding with that high spelldamage/crit you must die somewhat frequently on trash and run oom on basicly every boss (unless flask of mighty restoration ofc) even with general consumables.

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Old 03/05/07, 9:56 AM   #70
Mearis
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Defias Brotherhood (EU)
Originally Posted by Tristanian View Post
Try Shattered Halls/Arcatraz Heroic. While most (if not all fights) are doable with the odd group, that doesn't mean its optimal or diminishes the chances that something will go wrong that you will not recover from with 1 person taking all the healing strain.
I never said only one healer. That would be doable but very difficult, I meant one pure healer plus one hybrid who can help heal on the rough parts.

I did shattered halls only up to the Warlock boss (was very late and we were doing it just to summon nightbane). Every other heroic I have done has been perfectly fine with one pure healer + one hybrid.

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Old 03/05/07, 10:35 AM   #71
Lord BEEF
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Originally Posted by Drauk View Post
I'm curios, what are those stages of grief are ?
1. Denial and Isolation. 2. Anger. 3. Bargaining. 4. Depression. 5. Acceptance.

I think most druids are in four or five by now

For druids another step is respeccing sometimes

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Old 03/05/07, 10:42 AM   #72
Drauk
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF View Post
1. Denial and Isolation. 2. Anger. 3. Bargaining. 4. Depression. 5. Acceptance.

I think most druids are in four or five by now

For druids another step is respeccing sometimes
Yeah, i've already googled it after Lorewanderer post. Just didn't know it was common term and not some sikrit druid stuff

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Old 03/05/07, 10:44 AM   #73
Lord BEEF
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I've actually tanked heroic pens with a tree of life druid healing me, and a shadow priest. With that setup you really have five hots going (rejuvenation, lifebloom, regrowth, vampiric embrace, improved leader of the pack).

With a shadow priest helping out, his longevity was astounding. He only had to leave tree form a couple times during the whole run really.

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Old 03/05/07, 11:03 AM   #74
Playered
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Originally Posted by Lord BEEF View Post
I've actually tanked heroic pens with a tree of life druid healing me, and a shadow priest. With that setup you really have five hots going (rejuvenation, lifebloom, regrowth, vampiric embrace, improved leader of the pack).

With a shadow priest helping out, his longevity was astounding. He only had to leave tree form a couple times during the whole run really.
How were the Defender packs? and especially the last one.

While HoTs are nice early on untill agro is established, I've always found myself needing to HT fairly quickly to compensate for the risky burst the tank can get.

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Old 03/05/07, 11:06 AM   #75
Zeln
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What makes me even more unhappy about leather healing itemization is that apparently I have to wear cloth in order to get decen mana5 on items. Sure, moonglade has gems, but the tier 1 lookalike set (Mostly found in heroics) has a total of about 7mana5 on it.

So in order to get large amounts of mana5, I'm currently wearing a few pieces of cloth. As a druid with limited methods of deaggro, my instincts as a druid pulling aggro are to go bear and not attack until the tank pulls the mob off me. By wearing cloth I am greatly reducing my length of survival.

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