Crusade has the added advantage of being a DPS melee and DPS caster trinket in one. If you ever respec to/from feral/balance, you get the beenfit of already having a realtively solid trinket.

I do think for certain bosses, the falloff after 10s could be a pain, but for more static fights, its a great trinket.

The lacerate idol is nifty for when you're trying to solo things that you need to slowly wear down. Such as soloing the guardians of the momunment or similar.. But otherwise, not much purpose.

Yes, it really is a bad idea. I have no problem admitting that. My first two posts were before my 8AM class and to be honest I did not read the agreement that I clicked and did not realize how much attention was really paid to the posts by admins. I have been having the relic argument with my fellow ferals for a while now, and needed something that would... well, for the lack of a better phrase "shut them up". Thanks so much, those posts rock and are just what I was looking for.

Thanks again.



Druid Threat since 2.0.10

Starting in patch 2.0.10, Mangle multiplies its Threat by 1.5. Lacerate will land a small amount of damage, causing it to generate threat against bleed-immune creatures. It should be noted that lacerate's threat is now front-loaded, causing a change in how it is used. Before, lacerate's threat was generated through the bleed damage it caused; subsequent applications of lacerate would not do anything except increase the time left on the bleed back to 15 seconds. After the 2.0.10 change, each lacerate application causes a certain amount of threat (similar in use to Sunder Armor), while the threat from the bleed was emphasized less.


This is from Druids as Tanks - WoWWiki, the Warcraft wiki

I found this and decided to post it for future reference, just in case this does come up again.

On the topic of Idols, maybe we need a separate topic for these because I have seen them being brought up in several different threads now.

I am really feeling the fluff this slot is giving to our class. When first introduced relics showed great promise, sure the cat idol was only affecting claw and rake, but the bear idol gave us a 30% rage reduction in Maul and a 20% reduction in Swipe, this effectively allowed us to Maul every second hit when offtanking(not that anyone back then did any tanking but me). Giving a rather impressive increase in threat generation and even damage for bear.

The first incarnation of the idol of brutality felt like it was really adding something significant to the class.(again this was probably only for me as I was pretty much the only endgame feral that actually played a bear and cat in raids back then)

The change to this idol really hit hard, but the promise of other idols that were drastic increases to other abilities left me with some hope. The shred idol was a distant goal, and at 60 in the beta when my shred were previously hitting for 600 before the mangle patch in, this looked again like a rather drastic increase to another ability. The mangle idol seemed like a joke to waste some time with, but it was better than the claw/rake idol for cat. The Blue idols on the way to 70 found all seemed rather lackluster, additional rip damage, another claw/rake idol, lolcerate bleed damage, nothing really drastic, all followed the same theme of a small 2-5% damage increase to a single or a couple abilities.

Upon reaching 70 the shred idol was the first goal and was obtained quickly, but again after all the damage reduction this idol turned out to be just another 2-5% damage increase to a single skill idol.

Now with the Idol of the White Stag probably gonna drop soon, while this one does seem to have an additional affect of adding to base attack and other attacks after the mangle, it is still just the same thing, a very small damage increase.

We still lack anything even resembling a tanking idol, they are all just flat threat increases through damage. White Stag is still hard to justify over Brutality for terms of infinite rage situations. Why is a level 70 Ilvl 141 purple item barely, if even an upgrade over a level 60 Ilvl 65 blue item.

In a direct slot for slot comparison an Ilvl 141 purple bow has 21 agi, 30 stam and 90.7 dps meanwhile a Ilvl 68 blue gun has 4 agi, 10 stam and 43.9 dps. The agi increases 5 times over, the stam 3 times over and the dps more than doubles. Why do our idols not experience this kind of gain or increase in usage.

On a side note for our caster brothers, how does one even quantify the ability to wand for judgement of wisdom that other casters are able to do, or the ranged finishers that we are denied that rogues get from equipping throwing weapons.

I really feel that Idols are needed to get a drastic revamp, these need to be impressive increases to our skills, whether that means they are allowed to scale or not. The fact remains that we are not properly scaling into tier 6 (again) and this is a slot that is experiencing some of the worst scaling out of all our gear.