I picked up Fathom brooch of the tidewalker the other night (Nature spells have a chance to restore 335 mana). When I picked it up I had heard it had a 15% procrate but some testing on my own seems that this isn't true. Or more likely it may have a 15% procrate but it has a hidden cool down. I'm still playing with it and have yet to test it in a raid I was wondering if anyone had any experiences with it and can give real use porc rates I can expect. Right now its looking like while spamming 2.5 sec casts (after doing about 300 and trackign with procmeter) i'm getting about a 5-6% (~5.5 when I stopped) procrate.
so .055 * 335 = 18.4 mana back on average per cast (2.5s)
so 18.4 * 2(number of casts per 5s) = ~37mp5
While its not 15% which would have been amazing it still seems solid but I"m curious what other peoples experiences have been with it. Also I think the colldown is about 30 secs but unsure on this.
Looking over WWS for our shaman it seems to proc pretty consistantly @ once per minute.
I was lucky enough to pick one up the other day as well. A Shaman on the Shaman forum posted his "Misc Gained" throughout a ~10m Vashj kill:
(Revitalize is the trinket proc)
Primary heal was HW/LHW. Assuming roughly a 10 minute fight (I wish he had posted his full WWS log), that's roughly 25 MP/5 which is markedly below the best-case 35+ MP/5 listed on WoWHead and above. This makes sense due to the proc rate. In another fight, the same Shaman quoted ~35 MP/5 overall over the duration of a fight that required heavy Chain Healing (Void Reaver). Makes sense since CHs have multiple chances to proc the trinket.
I just did some quick tests using the number of casts as the timer. Using rank 1 HW I got 25 casts and 27 casts consequtively. 25casts *1.5s/cast = 37.5s and 27*1.5s/cast = 40.5 secs so I think this strongly points to a 30 or maybe 35 sec cooldown on this trinket. Since the trinket doesn't have a 100% proc rate i think the average time between procs is most likely ~40s so 335mana/40s*5s = 41.875 mp5. This is literally nonstop spamming though I think the amount seen in typical raids will be more along the 35-37ish mp5 due to some time between casts. I think this is prolly the best regen trinket in the game (not counting ones that increase mana from other sources like pots or gems) atm assuming you cast a reasonable amount.
Excuse me, but what's that mod? Looks interesting.
It's a screenshot from a WWS parse, I would assume. If you get Recap (Cryect's one from the UI forums) then it has a similar power-gains style window. I'm not sure how up to date that is though.
I've read through this thread and haven't seen anything mentioning pairing Fel Reaver's Piston with the Earring. I currently have those two trinkets equipped for general raiding, occasionally swapping in my Bangle of Endless Blessings in place of the Earring for times where I'm going to need to be spam healing a single target (pretty rare, to be honest). I still have my Scarab in my bags too, but I've found that I get the most general use out of the Earring + Piston with the combination of +heal, on use +spirit, and passive regen.
I've read through this thread and haven't seen anything mentioning pairing Fel Reaver's Piston with the Earring. I currently have those two trinkets equipped for general raiding, occasionally swapping in my Bangle of Endless Blessings in place of the Earring for times where I'm going to need to be spam healing a single target (pretty rare, to be honest). I still have my Scarab in my bags too, but I've found that I get the most general use out of the Earring + Piston with the combination of +heal, on use +spirit, and passive regen.
Not really sure what it is about pairing them that you want to discuss. They have no symbiotic relationship....they're both just simply good trinkets. I usually do the same with my shard or mana tombs thing I can't remember the name of. That said, I still feel the piston's equip is a bit of a write off, just in that it isn't strong enough to make someone consider using it for that reason. As far as I can assume, its just there so we don't have to run onyxia anymore.
My apologies if this was discussed before but I couldn't find anything on it. Currently, Scarab of the Infinite Cycle does not work on (druid) HoTs - at least for me, I have seen people swear that it work for them. However, I have also seen people claim that this is going to be fixed in the patch, but again I cannot seem to find concrete proof anywhere. So, what is the verdict?
I have seen the Scarab proc on Gift of the Naaru (Draenei Racial heal).
Not really sure what it is about pairing them that you want to discuss. They have no symbiotic relationship....they're both just simply good trinkets. I usually do the same with my shard or mana tombs thing I can't remember the name of. That said, I still feel the piston's equip is a bit of a write off, just in that it isn't strong enough to make someone consider using it for that reason. As far as I can assume, its just there so we don't have to run onyxia anymore.
Well I think that's kind of what I meant to get at. I realize they don't have a symbiotic relationship in the way that Earring + Bangle do, but it seems more balanced to me to go for one trinket that has high spirit and one that has high mp5. The hot also seems to proc fairly often on the piston (really nice during Morogrim), but that's really more of a bonus than a selling point for the trinket in my opinion.
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I didn't think it was worthy of a new topic. I noticed that the Talasite Owl was only restoring 700 mana instead of 900 on use since patch 2.1 Can anyone confirm that it's happening for them as well?
According to my WWS links, it was returning 900 pre-2.1 and 750 post-2.1. Feel free to post in my bug report to confirm the bug. Maybe they'll actually fix it
I was [ wowitem ] ing the eye of gruul on another forum and noticed it said +44 Healing and 2% chance to regain 600 mana instead of 450...most of the warcraft sites are blocked from my work, can anyone confirm or deny this?
I currently use Warmth of Forgiveness + Fathom Brooch, and I am desperately running Karazhan weekly to get Aran's trinket, with which I will finally replace Warmth. I plan on using those trinkets until Illidan, unless something new is discovered
I currently use Warmth of Forgiveness + Fathom Brooch, and I am desperately running Karazhan weekly to get Aran's trinket, with which I will finally replace Warmth. I plan on using those trinkets until Illidan, unless something new is discovered
Can you explain why you want Aran's trinket over Warmth?
I did a big theorycraft a few pages back, where the conclusion was that over an 8 minute fight (a reasonable approximation), the +40 int gives 6.3 Mp5, and the Pendant also gives an approximate 24 Mp5 assuming you chain-cast through it. Since you said you're pairing Fathom & Pendant, you're not getting any haste procs, so it won't improve over GCD-spells, so 24 Mp5 is the maximum it will benefit you for, on a 2 minute cooldown.
Assuming an 8 minute fight, and you use the trinket the instant the fight starts (a bit unreasonable, but we can assume), you'd get 4 uses out of the trinket, which works out to be 420 * 4 + 40*15 = 2280 mana, or 24 Mp5 *net*.
Meanwhile, Warmth gives you 10 Mp5 + 3 uses of the mana restore @ 500 mana each, or 960+1500 = 2460 mana, or 25.6 Mp5 *net*.
So they are functionally the same, except that Warmth gives you nice chunks of guaranteed mana that can be chained together with a OO5SR regen "nap", and can be used when you know that 500 extra mana will actually not overfill your bar.
There's obviously some thought in your mind as to why Pendant > Warmth -- will you share? :p
Edit: Pendant actually benefits slightly more than I had recorded, since 40 intellect will scale with Kings, if you have it, to give you an extra 60 mana. More if you have int->mana scaling talents like a priest might (in Discipline, Mental Strength).
First off, the spell crit from 40 int is nontrivial (especially now that I'm one piece away from the 4pc tier 5 bonus -- next Healing Wave after any crit heal takes only 1.5 sec to cast). As a shaman, 30% of my int is converted into dam/heal, so I get an extra +12 dam/heal from that.
Second, obviously in shorter fights the extra Intellect up-front is handy, and not all fights last 8 minutes. Many boss fights are shorter. A fight like Teron Gorefiend is very, very, very mana-intensive as a healer, but the whole thing should only take like 5 minutes.
Third, consider the synergy as a shaman. My buff totems all have a duration of 2 minutes. The trinket's cooldown is 2 minutes. I can drop this, immediately drop 3 totems, and then resume healing, and get a consistent mana return every time. My personal healing style is very frenetic (compounded by the fact that we bring 6 healers to just about everything, meaning that healing is always very tight), and I spend maybe 10% of a typical fight outside of the five-second rule. So if I drop 3 totems and then cast one spell every 4 seconds for the remainder of the 20-second duration, which is probably fairly standard, and often will be a low estimate, I can expect ~327 mana back from using the trinket, every 2 minutes.
With those numbers, it compares favorably to Warmth in all but the very longest fights.
16 mana per 5 is very nice, but I'd like to know how good the proc actually is "Your direct healing spells have a chance to place a heal over time on your target, healing 500 over 12 sec."
Is this actually benafical to use over my current trinkes (Fantom Broach & Scarab of the Infinit Circle)
I think ultimately that comes down to two questions; Whats your healing style, and does the hot fire on chain heal jumps. If you find yourself casting chain and lhw more than anything else, it seems to me it would be a solid addition on both fronts. One of our paladins is using it at the moment, and paired with fol the effect actually ends up being quite strong - much more so than I initially thought it would be. Anyways, the broach is pretty much the best trinket in game for you, so surely not over that. Scarab is pretty blah, I'd use the piston.
I've been forgetting to mention, that since the last patch I've seen a rather significant increase in meditation(http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28370) procs, to the point that I never take it off anymore. If I had to take a stab at it, I would say they lowered the internal cd on the proc. I've noticed the same with the mana restoration meta gem.
Sigh, 52 Botanica runs and still no Bangle. I'm still using my old Darkmoon card with a Rejuv gem.
Of course it's awesome when it procs (with maxed spirit I can break 700 which means ~1200 mana per proc), but sometimes it procs twice in a 10min fight, sometimes 10. A Bangle would be more "steady".
Or I'll just stop running Botanica and grab the Earring or the Piston :/
06/01/07, 1:31 PM
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