I think ultimately that comes down to two questions; Whats your healing style, and does the hot fire on chain heal jumps. If you find yourself casting chain and lhw more than anything else, it seems to me it would be a solid addition on both fronts. One of our paladins is using it at the moment, and paired with fol the effect actually ends up being quite strong - much more so than I initially thought it would be. Anyways, the broach is pretty much the best trinket in game for you, so surely not over that. Scarab is pretty blah, I'd use the piston.
The HoT fires on chain heal jumps (I picked this up to test exactly that), but it has a shitty internal cooldown of around 15sec. As a result it only really contributes ~1-1.5% of my healing in a CHeal spam situation. I would get more actual healing done by using a +70heal trinket in that slot.
When I can do 300k healing in a fight and 3k of it is from the Piston proc, it's hard to get excited about the trinket. I can't really ever see myself (or anyone) using it if they have access to other options. I stick with Pendant of the Violet Eye + Fathom Brooch full-time. If I'm in a situation where I know I don't care about mana, I stick Scarab in for Brooch.
It has a cd? Wow, thats pretty.....blah. That really crashes my hopes and dreams of it being great for pallies and shaman. Ah well, par for the course.
It has a cd? Wow, thats pretty.....blah. That really crashes my hopes and dreams of it being great for pallies and shaman. Ah well, par for the course.
Crashes me hopes of it being useful for circle of healing. Personally, I don't think such an item needs a cooldown. I mean, take a look at the ribbon of sacrifice. That works rather fantastically with circle of heal (and chain heal, I would presume).
The HoT fires on chain heal jumps (I picked this up to test exactly that), but it has a shitty internal cooldown of around 15sec. As a result it only really contributes ~1-1.5% of my healing in a CHeal spam situation. I would get more actual healing done by using a +70heal trinket in that slot.
When I can do 300k healing in a fight and 3k of it is from the Piston proc, it's hard to get excited about the trinket. I can't really ever see myself (or anyone) using it if they have access to other options. I stick with Pendant of the Violet Eye + Fathom Brooch full-time. If I'm in a situation where I know I don't care about mana, I stick Scarab in for Brooch.
I know it was stated early on in the thread, back before the 16 mp5 was added, but is it still the case that the HoT it places on your target receives no benefit from your +healing? Or was that also changed in the 2.1 patch?
one interesting thing for the 5 priests who actually spec CoH.. ribbing of sacrifice's use buff procs on the entire party you target with that spell. so you can effectively buff an entire party with that buff if you chain cast it to roll up the +healing with it.
I know it was stated early on in the thread, back before the 16 mp5 was added, but is it still the case that the HoT it places on your target receives no benefit from your +healing? Or was that also changed in the 2.1 patch?
No, it doesn't get the benefit of +heal. It really just isn't very good. It's like a Shard of the Scale with a negligible side-benefit.
At the moment I use the Fathom-Lord Brooch and the Scarab, Up to this point I was very happy with them and they synergize rather well together and with my style of healing(The scarab also goes amazingly with the half cast gem in my helm).
Reading some of the math here involved with the Eye has made me rethink it a little bit, I'm probably going to sit in for Aran and see if I can get an eye for those more mana intensive fights, Although I can pretty safely say that I wouldn't be replacing the brooch until Illidan, And the scarab is quite amazing.
I apologize for necro'ing a thread - but has anyone done testing with the Paladin trinket from BT? (Ashtongue reward). I currently have been flipflopping on my second trinket (I do use Violet Eye religiously) between Alchemist's Stone and Ribbon, usually Stone. Wouldn't mind using the Ashtongue if it provided benefit over Eye on non spam fights.
Given the Proc rate the trinket breaks down to ~40 Mp/5 under the most idealistic conditions for Circle of Healing Spam.
I'm still disappointed to find out that the [Fel Reaver's Piston] has an internal Cooldown. The synergy between [Eye of Gruul] and that trinket would be phenomemal if that was not the case.
Also, I'm the process of regearing for a heavy Spirit Build and I am looking to acquire a [Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon]. Does anyone happen to know if the Proc is similar to that of [Eye of Gruul] where the Proc rate is amplified by the number of targets you hit or is it just a straight 2% on spell cast?
Given the Proc rate the trinket breaks down to ~40 Mp/5 under the most idealistic conditions for Circle of Healing Spam.
I'm still disappointed to find out that the [Fel Reaver's Piston] has an internal Cooldown. The synergy between [Eye of Gruul] and that trinket would be phenomemal if that was not the case.
Also, I'm the process of regearing for a heavy Spirit Build and I am looking to acquire a [Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon]. Does anyone happen to know if the Proc is similar to that of [Eye of Gruul] where the Proc rate is amplified by the number of targets you hit or is it just a straight 2% on spell cast?
From my experience using the Darkmoon Card its per originating spellcast, not any jumps.
I know it's been touched on a bit in this thread, but mostly in comparisson to Gruul+ levels of itemization. Right now I'm working on my druid alt, who will eventually be a tree, and once he hits 70 will probably not be doing much endgame past the Karazhan level and heroics. For a spirit stacking druid, at tat level of itemization, would [Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon] be worth the effort of trying to attain during the leveling process for use at 70?
Currently using Pendant of the Violet Eye + Ribbon of Sacrifice. 100 Gruul kills later and still no Eye of Gruul to replace the some what useful Ribbon, but as a Paladin the eye is EXTREMELY useful when macroed with Divine Illumination. Did some tests, and with around 3 to 5 crits going off during the 20 seconds, spamming flash of light, I actually gained around 600 to 800 mana in the end. The eye is definitely more useful for a pally then most classes because of Divine illumination (assuming other classes aren't using rank 1 heals just for trying to get mana back instead of spamming a max rank heal).
I apologize for necro'ing a thread - but has anyone done testing with the Paladin trinket from BT? (Ashtongue reward). I currently have been flipflopping on my second trinket (I do use Violet Eye religiously) between Alchemist's Stone and Ribbon, usually Stone. Wouldn't mind using the Ashtongue if it provided benefit over Eye on non spam fights.
I played around with the Zeal trinket a bit, and I have to say I was completely underwhelmed.
The HoT does not benefit from +healing (would be much nicer if it did), and since it's uncontrollable, I can't say it provides any meaningful benefits over other trinkets (i.e. I can't put an extra HoT on the MT during a silence or an enrage). Most of the time, it'll probably just be wasted because of overhealing.
It also has the added effect of potentially putting a debuff on your target when you judge. Not having paladins pre-TBC, we tend to judge religiously (use it while you have it!). Unfortunately, we've had problems in the past couple of months with hitting the 40 debuff limit, though it's not as big of a problem now that warlocks are using lower rank curses to get around having them knocked off. Still, though... I tend to feel this debuff would remove other, much more useful debuffs. On the plus side, we usually run with a ret paladin, which means that I don't judge that often, but still... I don't like that risk.
So, in the end, I didn't feel it was worth using over LCPB or the other Pally trinket.
For healing trinkets, in general, I've been pretty underwhelmed with the TBC offering. Many of these trinkets seem to have such a small upgrade over ones previously available, albeit in high-end raiding instances like BWL (rejuv gem) and Naxx (warmth). Maybe the trinkets have lost that sparkle for me because of that. I have no problems with the clicky trinkets because I just add them to my healing macros, but most of them just don't seem worth it.
It's not until you get to Memento of Tyrande that you have an amazing trinket, and it's quite appropriate that it's off the most advanced boss in the game. It's unfortunate, though, that that's really the only one that seems *really* good.
For now, I've been content with pairing the Pally trinket off of Al'ar (Tome of Fiery Redemption) with my LCPB. Especially in BT, burst healing seems to be such a requirement these days and it seems to proc relatively often.
I do have the Violet Eye trinket in the bank, so maybe I'll give that one a try for the raids this week. It just irked me that the mp5 buff disappeared when the clicky use was gone, but I'm not against giving it a second chance.
To me, it seems so wrong that a blue rep reward (LCPB) is one of the best trinkets out there.
I did some math on the Bangle today, if anybody cares: WoW Forums
One trinket that I think warrants more discussion is [Eye of the Dead]. In Wowhead's comment section, someone posted that it shares a cooldown with Essence of the Martyr. Can anyone confirm/deny this? It could in theory be far and away the best trinket in the game for Lifebloom-spamming, but only if it doesn't share a cooldown with other on-use trinkets.
As a ToL druid ive had a hard time finding adequate replacements for my pendant and essence of the martyr
Pendant is tailor-made for lifebloom stacking, giving me approx 150 mana per minute if timed right.
As for the essence, its not that effective on its own, but as a druid you can roll the trinketed lifebloom, letting it keep the effect of the trinket for as long as you keep refreshing it. So on long boss fights or fights where i roll lifeblooms on multiple tanks, its insanely powerful for a ToL druid.
Is there a consensus as to which 2 trinkets are top to use right now?
As an alt, I dont think I'll be running anything more than kara and 5 mans so limited to that which trinkets give the most bang for the buck for a resto shammy?
really in the end it depends on the fight.
If its a long, mana intensive fight, ill use my mana trinkets, like Vilot Eye and Fathom-Brooch
IF its a shorter fight, or a heavey healing fight, marty and Ribbin make good healing booster.
I still use Rejuv Gem. I haven't found anything I like as much as it so far in TBC, and tbh, I'll probably wear it until Illidan. My second trinket is the Earring, which for a holy priest is amazingly sexy. I got the chance to pop it in between waves in Hyjal last night while standing next to Jaina ... 1600 Mp5. Extremely sexy. And any time I desperately need an innervate, popping the trinket just before it lands gives me over 3500 Mp5 -- in other words, a full mana bar courtesy of teh innervate.
I have Eye of Gruul for fights where I CoH a lot (basically just VR), and have Essence of the Martyr and a couple other options sitting in the bank.
Just use whatever you have, if you like it. Trinket slots aren't make it or break it anymore.
If you're an alchemist ... use the Stone + <favourite second trinket>.
Tree druid? Use Martyr/EotD plus Eye of Gruul or something similar that has +heal on it.
Healing priest? Use Earring + Mp5 trinket of some sort.
Healing shaman? Tidewalker Brooch is sexy; Gurg has made compelling arguments for Pendant as well.
Healing paladin? Pendant is amazing; Fel Reaver's is good-ish; etc..
Use whatever makes you happy. Just choose trinkets that play to your strengths, and go from there. If you like Mp5, stack Mp5 in your trinkets. If you tend to be the type to do a lot of tank healing, and jump a lot of your heals, find trinkets that complement that.
I was using the scarab and the ribbon for a while being a main tank healer I thought the ribbon would be a good idea. But after doing the math and reading others posts about it i agree that its useless. So I went back to the Essence of martyr. Was also thinking of getting the piston from void reaver for an extra HoT on the MT instead of the essence. Dont know much about the proc rate or if its even worth it.
Was also thinking of getting the piston from void reaver for an extra HoT on the MT instead of the essence. Dont know much about the proc rate or if its even worth it.
At the top of the page, Gurg points out:
The HoT fires on chain heal jumps (I picked this up to test exactly that), but it has a shitty internal cooldown of around 15sec. As a result it only really contributes ~1-1.5% of my healing in a CHeal spam situation. I would get more actual healing done by using a +70heal trinket in that slot.
Honestly, Memento and Alchemist stone is the strongest combo in the game, highest healing and efficiency combo.
And, as Gurg said, don't take the piston because you think the proc is going to be game-breaking (it isn't that awesome), it's more of a perk on top of a shard of the scale.
While Memento/Alch is the highest "balanced" combo in the game, I find that I rarely need a balanced set of trinkets. I typically use Scarab/Essence most of the time, both of which increases the burst of my abilities as well as overall hps. In the situations that I need regen, I typically use Talasite Owl/Alch Stone (will replace the owl with Tidewalker Brooch if anymore drop for our guild before we stop SSC, which will probably be soon). I also switch some other gear in and out depending on the level of regen I need for an encounter, but typically, the largest change in efficiency/power can come from a simple trinket switch.
I did some math on the Bangle today, if anybody cares: WoW Forums
One trinket that I think warrants more discussion is [Eye of the Dead]. In Wowhead's comment section, someone posted that it shares a cooldown with Essence of the Martyr. Can anyone confirm/deny this? It could in theory be far and away the best trinket in the game for Lifebloom-spamming, but only if it doesn't share a cooldown with other on-use trinkets.
I'm trying to convince our guild to head back to Naxxramas for a "refresher" before WotLK is realeased. Of course I'm trying to convince them that now would be a good time for that refresher because that trinket pretty much looks like the ultimate ToL trinket in my opinion.
I'm also skeptical of the claim that the trinkets share a cooldown just because none of the other healing trinkets do. Sadly changing them to share a cooldown is something I'm kind of expecting at this point.
I'm trying to convince our guild to head back to Naxxramas for a "refresher" before WotLK is realeased. Of course I'm trying to convince them that now would be a good time for that refresher because that trinket pretty much looks like the ultimate ToL trinket in my opinion.
I'm also skeptical of the claim that the trinkets share a cooldown just because none of the other healing trinkets do. Sadly changing them to share a cooldown is something I'm kind of expecting at this point.
Since the time of my initial post we did just such a raid and Eye of the Dead dropped - it doesn't share a cooldown with other trinkets (I think the druid that won said he was rolling Lifeblooms at +2600 healing with Eye & Essence popped).
Like you, I also expect some kind of change either to the sharing of trinket cooldowns or perhaps even the entire concept of being able to 'roll' a trinketed Lifebloom as long as the druid can keep it refreshed. It seems wrong that an ilvl 90 Naxx trinket is still the best in the game for druids in terms of increasing raw healing output. Rejuvenating Gem aside, most pre-TBC items that are still relevant now do something unique that manages to scale indefinitely despite Blizzard's best efforts to eliminate that kind of thing (e.g. Scarab Brooch, Darkmoon Card: Blue Dragon). Nothing about Eye of the Dead indicates it ought to scale quite as well as it does; it's a simple +healing booster, not a percentage based bonus.
I should add that I wouldn't approve of any nerfs to currently existing items like EotD. The issue is just that healing trinket itemization in TBC is more than a little screwy, probably because it must be difficult to budget things like on-use effects or procs into the item level of a trinket.
For example, why aren't the exalted Ashtongue trinkets actually worth equipping? Because they have no passive effect and the budgets of trinkets that are supposedly ilvl 141 are entirely wasted on strangely designed procs. I'm not sure I know of any healer with the required reputation that actually uses their Ashtongue trinket. If they were even situationally useful it would fill a glaring hole in trinket itemization.
07/04/07, 11:55 AM
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