Quasar

Slight off-topic; I would have sworn that during TBC Beta, Healing Stream ticks according to the +heal when cast. Shall I assume it changed?

I finally got Scarab on my Druid on my 5th or so run after Exalted in Black Morass. Sat there spamming Rejuv on myself to guesstimate a procrate, emptied 10k mana without a single proc. Does it not proc off HOTs or was I just ridiculously unlucky?

JUICE! Aww I'm sorry. Did... did anyone want some juice?

 

Malan

Horribly unlucky I guess? It procs for me constantly. Not sure about the HoTs though.

 

• Binkenstein

Personally, I prefer passive/proc trinkets over anything with active abilities.

Mostly because those actives are one or two more things to worry about when healing, and we already have enough to worry about with pot timers, players hp, enviromental concerns, etc.

Extra mouse clicks/info to watch is not useful imo.

 

Saigone

http://www.thottbot.com/i28370 is really really awesome. The proc is up a lot, and the on use is also really nice. Im not a big fan of on use trinkets though, id really like some kind of rejuv gem 2.0

i wear that and http://www.thottbot.com/i28190 for trash, and swap it out for the alchemist stone for boss fights. As far as Im concerned, the alchemist stone is definitely the best healer trinket for a boss fight.

 

• Binkenstein

For Priests, yeah, I'd agree.

We shaman lack spirit on most of our gear, so the Endless Blessings trinket is a bit wasted on us (I get up to 160 spirit with buffs!).

Just did a little bit of math comparing Alchemists with LCPB, and even with 10 casts of a 1.5 sec spell, you'd still be about 3mp5 short of the Alchemists stone (used my shaman gear calc below)

 

Mygore

I'm personally a huge fan of Bangle of Endless Blessings [http://www.thottbot.com/?i=59121]. Its rare for this trinket to not proc on trash and in boss fights its very nice for the added mana regen while casting. Favourite of mine when I'm doing a 5 man instance is innervate + the use of the trinket , its awesome. Full mana bar no worries with the combination.

As recently just getting revered with Lower City I will need to buy a prayerbook and test it out but I have yet to see anything bad said about it.

During boss fights I always use Alchemist's Stone couldn't do a boss fight without one. I simply love the equip bonus especially when combining them with Fel Mana Potions. if I was to chain chug Fel Mana Pots this trinket would be the equivalent of giving me an extra 54 mana per 5. Simply to good to pass up.

 

Jo_

Until they make one with the exact same proc with more healing on it or an even stronger proc with the same amount of healing I think most healers will agree.

very jealous of your shaman trinket, my own class trinket doesen't seem very clever.

 

• frmorrison

The Warlock Tier 4 proc only works on direct damage, not on DoT damage. Perhaps this trinket only works on direct heals (not HoT spells).

 

Pyria

I feel like I'm pointing out the elephant in the room, but I guess the Eye of Gruul is too embarassing to even talk about?

 

levk

Well at best it's 50 mp5, so potential is there, but it's completely uncontrollable. I guess if you had a huge mana pool to begin with (so 20% of it is still a lot) on an encounter like patchwerk where you chug mana pots and runes back to back you could get into a rhythm to take maximum adgvantage from it, but it's really too much of a gimmick.

 

Jo_

The problem with the trinket is this: In any serious fight where you didn't use your pot cooldowns before you went down to 20% mana you fucked up.

 

kaib

The problem with Lower City Prayerbook vs Rejuvenating Gem is that the use can not be timed very well. If you end up healing a tank, you can activate it and then abort your next 3-4 heals. It's great in fights with aoe where you fire it up and then spam hots. But still in that case you are waiting with the activation for the aoe to happen. Thinking that you can just use it to maximum effect exatly every minute when the CD is up is very far from reality.

I tried it for quite a while and pushed hard to maximize its effect but it doesn't pass gem for me. It's a good choice for the second slot though. Currently I am toying around with Shard of the Scale, Essence of the Martyr, Scarab of the Infinite Cycle and the Prayerbook.
The thing with the prayer book is that it really shines in fights with one huge aoe on a timer, Like Gruul or the giant in SC. However in those fights EotM is also very, very good.

The Scarab is also a very nice trinket, but I really dislike procs. I want to have control over my stuff. Procs that come up when I don't need them and are not avaible when I do aren't very helpful. Sure, I can cast a 4.5k heal at 1.9s, but who sais that heal is needed at that time? When I really need the shorter cast time heal chances are the proc isn't avaible.

For now I am going to stick with gem + EotM. One alternative I'd really like to have is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27828#00Rz (13 mana/5, use: +282 healing for 20s, 2 min CD, from last boss in heroic mana tombs), but I've only done that instance once and dunno if I'm up for farming that beauty.

 

GamingManiac

Saw shaman trinket mentioned a few times. While I'm on a thread that's relatively close to the subject, does anyone know if that thing procs off heals or just nature spells (lightning bolt, earth shock)? I only just saw it 2 minutes ago and am curious on how it operates. If it does proc off heals, it's going to have a lot of potential.

 

Aramul

Druid and Shaman heals are of the Nature school. There's no reason it wouldn't proc off of heals short of a bug or mistype in the description.

 

• Binkenstein

I think it's more a "would this be useful for elemental raiding shaman" question :p

Which I think it would, and as such, shaman could stack more dmg and less regen

 

GamingManiac

I swear up and down I've seen a "critical strike bonus to nature spell" item somewhere before and that it didn't apply to healing. A quick runthrough shaman items hasn't made it pop up for me, but I remember that item just never applied to heals. My initial reaction was the 4/6 60 PvP set but that only applied to shocks already, not "nature spells."

That and the fact nature damage (random greens, etc) doesn't count towards healing, but that's already a "duh."

Edit: I'm inquiring for healing spells. I see no reason why it wouldn't work with nature spells, but I don't know about healing. It's definitely useful as an elemental, no question about it.

 

Theo

I think that was the Ten Storms 5 piece bonus before it was changed to all crit.

 

• Binkenstein

It will, and if it doesn't it better get fixed damn quick imo.

 

Molri

I haven't seen anyone mention http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29376 (essence of the martyr). Is it really that bad?

For all but the most mana intensive fights where I use Alch Stone and Rejuvenating Gem I find this one great for renewing Earth Shield and healing stream totem midfight. And, well, the +healing for 20s and healspam doesn't exactly hurt either.

 

Thelyna

Essence of the Martyr isn't bad at all, I use that along with LCPB.

 

Boevis

I think the problem with the EotM is that, in general raiding, click +healing is worthless for anyone but a tree druid and tree druids are fairly uncommon in general raiding to begin with. The ability of tanks to dodge every attack for 10 seconds randomly makes any 'use' trinket questionable in it's use.

That being said, I'd use the EotM over the Bangle or Scarab almost all the time, since all are really useful the most when chain-casting, which is when click+Heal is at it's best (I'm also a +healing nut, seeing rejuv tick for 1k makes me giggle)

Speaking of the Bangle .. I feel the need to question how good this is. 10% proc rate to get +15% mana regen while casting seems mathematically worse than the Darkmoon card's 2% chance to get 100% mana regen. Obviously it's going to proc more on trash, and the +spirit is really nice if you combine with innervates or it's own proc, but I'm underwhelmed.

 

Farstrider

All I do to get round this, is macro something like

/use Oshu'Gun Relic (yeah I have nothing better yet )
/cast healing touch

The only frustrating thing is that for some reason the /use item part of it breaks the functionality that allows you to self cast with alt held.

It's not ideal, but I'd rather make sure I actually use the trinket whenever it's up, than attempt to click it in highly situational moments & probably end up getting far less out of it. In practise, I try to save my first use of it in boss fights for "oh shit" situations anyway, so I'm content with the set up so far.

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Tristanian

For me its a very clear choice. The Scarab of the Infinite Cycle is just too good to be replaced, considering that it occasionally negates our greatest weakness, which is long casting times on direct heals. The synergy with Nature's Grace is simply amazing. The +70 healing bonus is also a nice addition. Other than that, it has been mentioned that the Alchemist's Stone is probably the way to go on long boss fights where mana can be a serious issue in the long run. It's mostly a matter of choice according to the healing style/spec of a specific class I guess.

 

Adeiko

I usually use http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29181 + http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29376 for trash mobs as a druid. Imho Timelapse Shard is best trinket for any Non-agro fader class like druid or shaman. On bosses <3 Alchemyst stone.

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Viv

I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Auslese's Light Channeler: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24390
+59 heal passive
Use: Reduces the cost of your next spell cast within 10 sec by up to 215 mana. Cooldown 3 minutes.

While on a much longer cooldown than LCPB, it is also a lot less situational.