While I'm not sure exactly how good 40 int is for a paladin, I'm 99% sure that you'll have more net mana regen and healing throughput. You do lose a bit of crit from the 40 int, but gain about 40 healing, a good chunk of mp5 (exact amount depends on how much you pot and how good you are at using the Pendant. But if you really need mana, you'll be potting and thus utilizing Alchemist's Stone as much as possible.) Not to mention an instant heal.

If you are using LCPB on cooldown and use 1 (one) spell per GCD it is equivalent to 20 mp5 approximatively.

Alchemist's Stone's the best trinket in game, use it on all fights regardless of if you’re potting or not. I'd still use LCPB over Vial of Sunwell. The use is on a 1 min cooldown, so no reason to save it for a special occasion. Just macro it to your main heal and fire away.

/use 13
/cast [target=mouseover] Holy Light(Rank 9)

prayer book is indeed better than the 40 int and crappy use, and is so easy to get as well. Ribbon of sacrifice could be better depending on wether it's 10-man or 25-man and how much the damage is focused on the MT. For the first trinket the essence of the martyr is hard to beat and can be gotten from badges so no reason not to have it. This makes it so you really don't have a lot of trinket options until you have the new alchemist stone and/or kill illidan.

Maybe you could consider battlemaster's if you greatly prefer improving burst HPS (avoiding tank deaths) over efficiency (doing as much healing using all your mana), or even eye of the dead if you want to go back to nax

As for why the other trinkets are bad:

ZA trinket - no straight up +healing - it gives pure efficiency and not that much of it either, not worth the reliable burst HPS loss unless you only need to burst heal every 2 minutes...

40 int trinket from kara - the use will generally not give a lot of mana. If you force yourself to get the full effect you actually waste more mana than you gain making it not worth it anyway. And on top it it's a pure efficiency item (has hardly any burst HPS increase), and a bad one too.

Scarab is just 70 healing and the proc being unreliable which doesn't really help saving someone from dying and doesn't proc enough to actually increase HPS to a point where it has a noticeable effect on your efficiency. Not to mention hidden cooldown means it doesn't proc much even when chain casting.

Rejuvenating gem from BWL is also bad - not much worse than prayer book and essence of the martyr, but since the other 2 are so easy to get and are clearly better there's no point using rejuvenating gem.

Earring of Soulful Meditation could be good if you get innervates and they actually don't fill your mana completely with 2.4 regen changes - otherwise (if innervate gives you full mana anyway and/or you never get innervates) you're probably better off with other trinkets. Well if a fight has a major out of 5 second rule time it could give decent mana but most fights don't allow you to go out of the 5 seconds rule for long enough - at least not after you actually spent meaningful amounts of mana (that is, for example, vashj p1->p2 transition doesn't count since p1 doesn't really waste your mana).


EDIT: Regarding macroing the prayerbook, while most of the time it'll work well, it's best to use manually becuase you don't want to activate it when healing requirements are low and you're not really casting anything. For example the macro could trigger it when you're topping a person off when the adds on lurker are on the way, wasting it as you won't need to heal for at least a few more seconds. So yeah use it almost as often as it's up, but macroing it is bad if you want to get the most out of it since it'll occasionally get wasted when you could otherwise avoid wasting it with smarter use.

How do you figure? There's still [Memento of Tyrande] and the M'uru trinket. And situationally, a lot of things can excel, like [Eye of Gruul] for a holy priest on Bloodboil or Felmyst.

From back a few pages. Was only looking from a paladin perspective.

To throw another one in the mix, I actually use [Battlemaster's Alacrity] for all fights other then Brutallus where I swap back LCPB (Alchemist Stone always). Memento would be my ideal other trinket, but it never drops.

Assuming you are talking about priests here, considering the mention of the Earring, I strongly disagree with this. Priests have a good deal of ways to get outside the five second rule, even without having to idle for a considerable amount of time. Cancelling and casting heals will typically cause priests do drop outside if little healing is needed for a stretch (while still having this healing ready if needed), while smart combinations of Inner Focus and Holy Concentration procs can also easily take a priest outside the five second rule. It's a very well balanced trinket, offering considerable amount of +healing, while offering a regeneration on use effect which if used intelligently is the strongest in the game. (definitely until M'uru dies anyways)

Just to highlight, as it is I get about 1.15 Mp5 per Spirit when not casting raid buffed, and my gear isn't that sensational (the Spirit 'modifier' due to the squareroot and not insanely varrying amounts of intellect on raiding priests will not vary hugely however). This means that activating the Earring's use function will give me about 345 MP5 while not casting, or 103.5 Mp5 while not casting.

-Best case scenario: OO5SR for full duration of the buff; 1380 mana regenerated due to it, every 2 minutes -> 57.5 MP5.
-Worst case scenario: No OO5SR during duration of the buff, 414 mana regenerated every 2 minutes -> 17.25 MP5
-Realistic, conservative: 10 seconds spent inside and 10 outside 5SR, 897 mana regenerated every 2 minutes -> 37.38 Mp5

As can obviously be seen from above, the [Lower City Prayerbook] and [Essence of the Martyr] can't even remotely be compared to the [Earring of Soulful Meditation]; it's of a totally different level. I'd go as far as saying it might be the best Priest trinket currently available in the game when not using CoH (I have the [Redeemer's Alchemist Stone] as well, effectiveness obviously dependant on amount of mana pot usage which could make it better, but I rarely need to pot atm), something which is indicated as being a possibility when looking at Jayde's spreadsheet where he/she attempts to model the trinkets.

If you use the "rarely need to pot" as an argument against the stone then I can say the same about all trinkets with mana restoring abilities - if you don't need mana you shouldn't be favoring stuff that give mana.

However looking at those numbers I agree the loss of 4 +healing is probably worth the little bit of extra mp5 (and 75 extra +helaing for the duration) you could get from the earing as opposed to the prayer book, however the essence of the martyr is still quite clearly better in most situations - it's effective 133.5 +healing if you use it randomly every cooldown, and more if you have an option to use it in a better way (as in, have it active during times that matter and cooling down on other times) - but still never less than 133.5 since that's what you can get (on average) if you just randomly hit it whenever it's up. And 84 constant +healing is quite a difference in maximum reliable healing over 66.

Since everyone very serious about progression should have alchemy with this patch, I find stone+essence optimal no matter what class you are until you get memento from illidan, and if you're not an alchemist earing or lower city prayerbook, or ribbon of sacrifice seem to be the best 2nd trinket, depending on your class and what you're actually doing (priest? getting innervates? have downtime? MT healing in a fight with lots of healers on the MT (for ribbon)?).

I would say that Earring is easily better for Priests than Essence. On average it's a 66 healing/50 spirit trinket. And as 50 Spirit is clearly better than 67 Healing for Priests, it's an easy choice--especially considering all the OO5SR games that can be played with Inner Focus/Clearcasting to make it even more powerful.

Also of note, the healing granted by the Earring during the use effect is larger than you mentioned. For a Human Priest with BoK -> 300 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.05 = 381 Spirit = 133 healing. It also stacks with other click effects for larger burst potential and increased Shadowfiend gains.

Either way, a Priest doesn't need Innervates to make Spirit useful nowadays. Earring is a great trinket.

True, it's not a proper devaluation of the Alchemist Stone, just that I tend to not get a great deal of use out of it because I don't need that many potions currently. Obviously the potential regeneration is there when it's needed, which is the most important; just that using the Earring doesn't use a consumable so if I get to choose between the two I rather tend to use the Earring Spirit use. Overall though there is room for 2 trinkets, and I feel a combination of Alchemist + Earring is about as good as it gets.

Of course, gemming for too much regeneration at the cost of lacking healpower is not a good thing, but as it is I have similarly no lack of healing power at 2050 unbuffed +healing. Additionally, the way regeneration and +healing interact for a Priest compared to a Paladin are slightly different, as we tend to use a lot more downranked spells. If we lack throughput when casting GH7 (max rank), then indeed more healing is needed, but my most frequently used GHeal ranks are 1 and 4; should I need more power I can easily use that added regeneration power to rank up to GHeal 2 and 5. The bottomline is that I don't really need that currently, and if I did need it, it would be much more effective to change gems (where 1 Spirit gives 2.2 +heal) than to change trinkets (where 57.75 Spirit buys you 67 +healing - I indeed forgot to keep Kings, Spirit of Redemption and in Jayde's case Human Spirit in mind). Basically the 'value' you get out of the Earring is far superior to that of the Essence. Additionally to skew that situation, with the tricks the Priest has to drop from the 5SR, it's a lot easier to get a near maximum effective use of the Earring's Spirit buff, than of the +healing buff the Essence gives. (Since this is dependant on healing requirements, and you aren't quite able to get bosses to time those on trinket cooldowns)

As a restoration druid (Armory is being a liar right now), I sit with 2007 healing, about 490 int and 475 spirit. (8/0/53)

Trinket wise I currently use:
[Redeemer's Alchemist Stone] and [Essence of the Martyr]. I use the essence just about every time it's off of cooldown, or I may save it for most fights for a big NS+HT. I have been thinking about [Tome of Diabolic Remedy] (if it ever drops, about 15 bears none of which I've gotten, and many runs later), and I was slightly at a loss to decide what I should be using if I ever do grab it. The passive mp/5 is nice. (60 divided by 5 is 12, so 18.12 is 216 mana a minute). Many people tell me to keep the essence, and many sway to use the tome. I'm still quite unsure. Opinions would be lovely!

Are there any on-use trinkets that grant a boost to +healing that do not stack? I haven't been able to find any examples so far. Thanks.

[Warp-Scarab Brooch] stacks with [Essence of the Martyr]. I guess it stacks on other trinkets aswell, but havn't tried it out. I found the combo quite handy on RoS phase3 when the ticks are getting high.

[Pendant of the Violet Eye] isnt procing like it should atm. I believe it's busted.

Last last couple of weeks ive been seeing/not seeing proc like it should I can usually get between 10 and 12 proc. There have been SEVERAL times where it won't proc at all or very little. It sucks to look up and see this not working correctly.

Its hard to say this is totally busted but it fails ALOT of the time.. And Then some times it works Fine. Any else seeing this?

Back when I still used it it did nothing at all when I was prot specced. I seem to recall 2.3 or 2.4 changing something about the proc (aka: "fixing" double proccing for paladins) of the buff, wouldn't suprise me if it broke in that same patch.

That was actually before 2.3. They "fixed" it by taking away the Double Procing which made it really OP.

This was alot more Recent in the last couple of weeks I'm lucky to get this to proc twice sometimes. Then others it will work properly. It may be related to something they fixed but it wasnt the Pally thing from a few months ago.

They fixed something and broke in the last 2ish weeks or so.

You'd need more then datamining for the M'uru trinkets since if the spell effect stays the same, we will be guessing what 'channeling' in the trinket means until it drops. (the spell ID's may or may not help)

I recently dropped a tradeskill for alchemy and it's definitely worth it. Even if the 'channeling' on m'uru trinket somehow allows you to keep casting (which I strongly doubt) -or it got changed- the stone will still equal or surpass it.

The major down-point on the M'uru trinket that we saw datamined was that it provided weaker regen than an optimal Redeemer's, combined with a large channeling time (lost HPS, but effected by haste) to even get this mana in the first place.

There are not many fight's sofar in Sunwell which allow you this time to use it safely if you are on an important role, and in BT it shouldn't really matter in the first place if you have killed M'uru.

It seems they have tried to deviate from generic trinket styles to maybe chance upon a new style which everyone goes mad for (example: tank trinkets over time).
Take the Commendation for example which provides avoidance only at the point where it will (for the most case) be signifncant, and not give you a consistant dodge value which (outside of Sunwell) is often annoying due to rage-starvation effect.

Abdullah I'm seeing the exact same thing in our SW encounters. I'm greatly disappointed, because I prefer the 40 int/mp5 return over the LCPB, and my 2nd trinket is Redeemer's Alch Stone. Anyone know if this has been reported to the blizz top brass?

Pendant still isn't working for my paladin, it works fine most of the time in IF, but when I'm in a kara/BG it just breaks, so I've gone back to using Ribbon and Vial of the sunwell

The Ribbon is not a perfect trinket by any means, though it has its uses when you know you're going to use a Prayer of Healing at some point as it affects all targets.

The Scarab I have, but only coz I don't have the Earing of Soulful Meditation. Even though it procs often I barely notice the difference for the haste rating and it only applies for such a short amount of time. Mainly holding it coz of the +70 heal.

The Bangle of Blessings is fantastic. I'm an IDS mana regen priest and its a beautiful trinket. Spirit is now so good in 2.4 and adding 130 gives good + heal and good + regen for a specced priest. Not to mention that with Meditation, PMC and this trinket proc you end up with 50% mana regen WHILE CASTING. So hard to run out of mana now. I reckon combining this with the Earing of Soul Meditation will mean obscene mana regen.

The use of the Vial is affected by the Priest 10% healing talent, in addition it is affected by the Paladin 5% Holy Crit talent, and crits using your spell crit.

Also you can stack up charges whenever you want, and they will remain until you use them. Nice to do before Arena starts or before a boss pull.