Healing Trinket Selection - Page 6

moowalk · 03/23/07, 6:05 AM

Originally Posted by CasT

For PvP I am leaning towards

equip: MP5
Use: Healing

Since PvP is more dynamic healing I don't think that mana reducing trinkets like LCPB or Auslese's Light Channeler is offering that much more. But the amount of MP5 trinkets are rare to say the least.

There's a green quest reward that does this. 'Heavenly inspiration'

Equip: 10 MP5
Use: +250~ healing

Although if you don't already have it it's likely you chose a different reward

Ezareth · 03/23/07, 1:11 PM

Current testing on that Shaman trinket is showing @3% proc rate from people who have it.

Didn't see if it worked on healing or not since they were talking about lightning bolts. Either it is bugged, or it has a hidden cooldown attached to the proc.

Blizzard and their hidden cooldowns...

Wickler · 03/23/07, 2:01 PM

Originally Posted by moowalk

There's a green quest reward that does this. 'Heavenly inspiration'

Equip: 10 MP5
Use: +250~ healing

Although if you don't already have it it's likely you chose a different reward

The Warp-Scarab Brooch is what you are looking for if you have passed Heavenly Inspriation. Someone already posted the link for the item in here before, but the stats are:

Equip: 13MP5
Use: +282 Healing for 20sec.

Heroic Mana Tombs off the Prince.

For myself, I have the Essence of the Martyr and Bangle of Endless Blessings. I find it to be working really well even though you have to get used to the clicking the item when it really benefits your healing. What I try and do and get used to High Priority times to heal when to use the Essence and Low Priority times to use the Bangle. If can predict how the fight is going to come out (Depends on the encounter and how well the people playing around me) then I can use them to the full advantage. If I can't predict it, then I proc the Essence whenever I can to help, then after using it, I pop the bangle. (Hit everyone with Renews with a powered up HoTs, then Regen with the Bangle)

Takes some practice, but I enjoy use trinkets as a healer.

(First post here on EJ, don't mean to restate Brooch again in the post but it seemed some people have missed the stats on the item.)

Thomase · 03/23/07, 3:35 PM

Does anyone happen to have a macro for checking whether LCPB is on CD and if ready to use?

Im pretty much a macro illiterate person. ><

Belenos · 03/23/07, 4:51 PM

Originally Posted by Thomase

Does anyone happen to have a macro for checking whether LCPB is on CD and if ready to use?

Im pretty much a macro illiterate person. ><

You can check if an item is on cooldown but you cannot conditionally cast spells or target anyone based on that info, since the 2.0 changes.

The syntax, when last I checked:
/script if (GetInventoryItemCooldown("player", 13)==0) then DO SOMETHING HERE else DO SOMETHING ELSE HERE end

13 is the top trinket slot, 14 is the bottom.

CheshireCat · 03/23/07, 6:08 PM

One macro solution I've heard about for LCPB is replacing one of your common spell buttons (Renew, or Greater Heal, for priests) with a macro to use LCPB then cast the spell. Combine that with an option to repress error messages and you're basically guaranteed to use it nearly every time it's up.

You might not be using it to its full effect-- popping it in a period when you don't need to cast many heals when a period of heavy casting is in the near future, say-- but to be honest just hitting it every cooldown is probably better use than I've been getting by trying to time it manually.

Liryn · 03/23/07, 6:50 PM

Originally Posted by Belenos

You can check if an item is on cooldown but you cannot conditionally cast spells or target anyone based on that info, since the 2.0 changes.

The syntax, when last I checked:
/script if (GetInventoryItemCooldown("player", 13)==0) then DO SOMETHING HERE else DO SOMETHING ELSE HERE end

13 is the top trinket slot, 14 is the bottom.

Wait, are you saying this still works, or that it no longer does?

Heartwarden · 03/25/07, 3:38 AM

While we are talking trinkets, what is your take on Earring of Soulful Meditation (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30665) combined with the bangle? It is hard for me to rate them because it is so very random. If it procs with meditation, it is amazing. Same if i have a clearcast while it is up.

The nasty part is that if they don't proc or if they proc at a moment you can't afford to be out of the 5s rule, then they might bring almost nothing to the table.

levk · 03/26/07, 1:14 AM

I switch heavenly inspiration in for the scarab if I feel like mana might be an issue at all, and I'm a paladin (i.e. that guy who gets the absolute most out of it). The procs are just too few and far between. LCPB has earned my trust as an excellent trinket I'd be hard pressed to find a replacement for at the moment. Really the biggest gripe is that you have to remember to click it and you have to remember it all the time.

I was not so fortunate on rejuvinating gem and shard of the scale however, warmth of forgiveness and sapphiron were out of reach. If I had rejuv gem and shard I'd probably switch LCPB in for the shard most of the time, but would've kept using rejuv gem.

Very unimpressed with the heroic badge trinket. Basically it's heroic mana tombs for upgrade trinkets and... Naxx?

♦ Lorewanderer · 03/26/07, 7:00 AM

Here's my lifebloom / prayerbook macro. I love it so. 10HPM with my average gear.

#Show Lifebloom
/script UIErrorsFrame:Hide()
/use Lower City Prayerbook
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
/script UIErrorsFrame:Show()
/cast [help] Lifebloom; [target=targettarget, help] Lifebloom; 
[target=Focus, help] Lifebloom; [target=player] Lifebloom

If you copy/paste make sure the cast line doesn't have a linebreak in it.

Thelyna · 03/26/07, 9:04 AM

Quick question along those lines - my current prayerbook/flash of light macro is

#showtooltip Flash of Light
/script UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE"); 
/stopcasting
/use Lower City Prayerbook
/cast Flash of Light
/script UIErrorsFrame:RegisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE");

(the /stopcasting is for chain-flashing on oceanic latency)

Which works fine ... however, it tells me "you must equip that first" if I attempt to heal without my LCPB equipped. Is there any way to suppress the unequipped warning?

Avair · 03/27/07, 12:50 PM

Let me add a subthread to this one, by posing a slightly more specific question.

What are the best trinkets for Arena play, for Healers?

I'm assuming that, at least for the healing classes that get focus fired early/often (shaman/priest) the PvP trinket is probably taking 1 slot. What are you guys using?

Bloodtear · 03/28/07, 7:02 AM

Originally Posted by Avair

Let me add a subthread to this one, by posing a slightly more specific question.

What are the best trinkets for Arena play, for Healers?

I'm assuming that, at least for the healing classes that get focus fired early/often (shaman/priest) the PvP trinket is probably taking 1 slot. What are you guys using?

As a troll priest, I find Hazza'rah's Charm of Healing (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19958) extremely useful. Stacking this with berserk for very fast and max rank heals can keep the assist train target for some time. It's the closest thing I can have to NS.

Amera · 03/28/07, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Avair

What are the best trinkets for Arena play, for Healers?

Scarab is pretty nice. It can make a big difference if it procs in the match and you can spam heal for ~5sec or so. Then again, because it is proc-based, you can't control it at all, and sometimes it will just never go off or otherwise be useless.

The Nexus Horn isn't bad either, though generally it's best for paladins. 1.5% crit + a proc that is going to be up at least once a match, often times twice, for +225 healing.

Iol · 03/29/07, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

Earth Shield works on +heal when cast.
Healing Stream works on +heal at the point it ticks. I've seen mine boost by 4-6 points while I've got a +heal trinket active, but it drops again when it expires.

I can confirm you that my ZHC'd Healing stream totem ticks for the modified version all the duration. More than 1 healing stream totem also stacks. Back in bwl post shaman patch (when they gave scalign to totems), i was using my ZHC to pop Healing string totem instead of FR totem on Vael because it mitigated more dmg. Back then 85 hp a tick was fun.

Belenos · 03/29/07, 2:59 PM

Originally Posted by Liryn

Wait, are you saying this still works, or that it no longer does?

Sorry, I meant the macro works, but can't be used to cast spells. If you want to play a sound file or something if a trinket is cooled down you can. But you can't cast spells or target anyone conditionally.

Pyrelight · 03/29/07, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jubling

Not really, more of a curiosity than a strategy

. Though in some fights it's possible to try and get Spirit Tap off the adds, like the Broggok event or Botanist Freywin, for some nice mana regen when healing. Maybe you could do it with Illhoof's imps as a raiding example?

I have Spirit Tap in my raid build, as I am pretty spirit heavy nowadays. Illhoof is a good example. I can have Spirit Tap up for most of the fight by SW Death'ing low HP imps. Prevents me from having to use mana pots at all during the usually mana potion intensive fight.

It's also pretty easy to proc on trash, though not really necessary. It's generally not usable on most boss fights, as there's only one target. But it serves it's pupose in grinding and PvP, and it can be an extremely handy tool in certain raid encounters.

As far as trinkets go, Hazza'rah's Charm of Healing (Priest ZG EoM) and Scarab are my standard loadout. The burst healing and oh-shit button of the Charm of Healing has become a very unhealthy crutch for me, I don't see myself replacing it anytime soon. Alchemist's Stone gets swapped in place of the Scarab on new content/potion heavy fights. Bangle gets swapped in on fights I know are going to be long and boring (Nightbane, Mag).

I've picked up Eye of Gruul recently and it was pretty handy on Kazzak when I did get pretty low on mana, saved Inner Focus for when I got below 20% from PoH spam, and used Inner Focus after I consumed the Gruul trinket proc (it's a 15s temporary buff placed on you), as well as the Bangle. It let me avoid having to use a mana pot after the enrage. Works well on that fight since the effect would be off cooldown again by the 2nd enrage if you were unfortunate enough to hit that. I haven't really tried it on much else, as I didn't get online this week in time to catch the last half of Karazhan with my group. I was expecting it to be pretty useful on Nightbane where I usually fall low on mana after a P2 to P1 transition, or on Illhoof where I could potentially be straddling the 20-40% mark for a long time, surviving with spirit tap regen and such. It is definitely extremely situational at best but I think on some fights it can work really well. It's by no means a trinket you'd want in your primary loadout though.

I love the new dynamic with healing trinkets in BC, putting some thought into swapping the right tools for the job on every fight. In pre-BC WoW you could basically keep the same trinkets on all the time and not ever be at a disadvantage, save for maybe swapping in a Blue Dragon card for fights like Patchwerk. Probably one of the only things keeping me interested in my Priest still is the extra healing utility granted by these new trinkets, since it's very easy nowadays to get depressed when thinking of the utility and healing power Paladins have. But then I guess Shamans could join the Priests in being upset at the overpowered regeneration capabilities of Paladins, and Druids could join the Priests in being upset at the superior single target healing of Paladins.

Offtopic, yet still regarding healing utility:
I am pretty concerned about Paladin Tier 5 4-piece, though (-0.25 off Holy Light cast time). 1.75s Holy Light could very well make Priests and even Druids obsolete (save for maybe new content battlerez utility). With standard server latency, it could be extremely difficult for a Priest or Druid to ever land a heal on the main tank that wouldn't be 90%+ overhealing. Perhaps Blizzard took this into consideration and that is why the Priest Tier 5 2-piece returns 100 mana when GHeal tops the target off? Either way, widespread Paladin Tier 5 is scary to me as a Priest, as I think it could really threaten the single target healing capabilities of Priests in raids even more than it is now.

Phro · 03/30/07, 12:15 PM

if you equip two lower city prayerbooks are they on the same timer?

• Chicken · 03/30/07, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Phro

if you equip two lower city prayerbooks are they on the same timer?

Yes, they are. Using one puts the 60 second cooldown on both.

• malthrin · 04/02/07, 2:07 AM

Originally Posted by Avair

Let me add a subthread to this one, by posing a slightly more specific question.

What are the best trinkets for Arena play, for Healers?

I'm assuming that, at least for the healing classes that get focus fired early/often (shaman/priest) the PvP trinket is probably taking 1 slot. What are you guys using?

After the Poultrizer got nerfed, I swapped over to JC and just got it up high enough (370) to craft the BoP trinkets this week. I start arena matches with:

Figurine - Living Ruby Serpent
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
+33 Stamina
+23 Intellect
Requires Level 70
Use: Increases damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 150 for 20 sec.

and, once we're a minute or two into the fight, swap it over to:
Figurine - Talasite Owl
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
Requires Level 70
Equip: Restores 14 mana per 5 sec.
Use: Restores 900 mana over 12 sec.

Nomad_Wanderer · 04/02/07, 10:57 AM

This thread has some great theory crafting in it around healer trinket value. Unfortunately, you have to page through the whole thing to compare the different trinkets..

Has anyone compiled it together into a google Spreadsheet or something?

It may be possible... to evaluate these trinkets using the following input data

spirit
MP5
int
combat length
# of casts (does anyone know of a mod that tracks this)?

I think that's all the specific character data that's needed to evaluate these from a priest PoV...

Then again some of the trinkets are just plain wonky, and would be hard to compare, like the aran trinket.. but that's so terrible I wouldn't list it anyway.

Is this feasible?

BTW, I'm really upset that I lost the Bangle to a PUG Prot spec'd pally yesterday. (<-- not an april fool's joke)

Likas · 04/03/07, 1:56 AM

Originally Posted by Thelyna

Quick question along those lines - my current prayerbook/flash of light macro is

#showtooltip Flash of Light
/script UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE"); 
/stopcasting
/use Lower City Prayerbook
/cast Flash of Light
/script UIErrorsFrame:RegisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE");

(the /stopcasting is for chain-flashing on oceanic latency)

Which works fine ... however, it tells me "you must equip that first" if I attempt to heal without my LCPB equipped. Is there any way to suppress the unequipped warning?

You can activate a trinket slot as opposed to a specific trinket. The syntax is "/use 13" or "/use 14" depending on where you usually put your LCPB.

neg · 04/03/07, 5:49 AM

I also still use my ReJu gem, best dkp spend ever. It just offers al la shaman want, ofcourse I would want more mp5/+H but I havent seena trinket offering that.

As 2nd tricket I have the Alch stone, which is probably the bets healing trinket ingame atm, 15 sta/int and 40-50 mp5 if chainpotting makes it awesome.

I really dont see why people like the Scarab of the Infinite Cycle so much, I'd say it suxs pretty much. +70 healing is decent but the proc suxs. First of all its on a CD (45sec) and 2nd to that, if it procs, wow ya heal somewhat faster for 6 sec, enabling ya to get one extra heal of (for which ya have to pay mana also). So what efficiency did ya gain ? none. The only thing it does it increase your HP output insane slighty, which ya cant even time. Absolutely not worth using in my eyes.

Litany · 04/03/07, 4:23 PM

As a Priest, I find Scarab of the Infinite Cycle to be incredibly useful in heroics. Many times, I simply lack the HP/s to keep up with the damage without a few crit heals or the Scarab proc. Mileage may vary for other classes though (Priest/Druids have NS, Paladins have higher HP/s -- not sure if that's enough, though). In raids, it really doesn't do much, though I have had a few lucky procs, but I prefer to use it over something like Lower City Prayer book because with Alchemist's Stone I simply don't have mana issues ever.

subscience · 04/03/07, 5:22 PM

I got a Scarab last night and I found it mostly wasted for the majority of trash mobs. The proc is uncontrollable, so on fights and trash that don't require chain-casting, I found it of limited use. Most of the time the buff simply fell off before anyone even needed a significant heal.

However, I agree with Litany that in any fight where you'll spend a lot of time chain-casting heals, it's quite lovely. When I notice a proc, I'll downrank to maximize mana efficiency while allowing me to throughput high HP/s.

I tend to stick with the LCPB for trash, but I'm somewhat unsafistfied with it so far. I like having a clicky +Heal trinket for when I need higher HP/s throughput or for Healing Stream, Earth Shield, or Gift of Naaru. I'll probably pick up an Essence of the Martyr as soon as I can.