Bane: Really An Affliction Necessity? - Page 3

Antoine · 03/19/07, 1:58 PM

With refreshing DoTs and the RNG, even a 20% pre-devastation crit rate is not good enough to guarantee ISB up at all times. With Doom, either it's up or it isn't, but you can have some Agony ticks benefit and some not.

Mearis · 03/19/07, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by Antoine

With refreshing DoTs and the RNG, even a 20% pre-devastation crit rate is not good enough to guarantee ISB up at all times. With Doom, either it's up or it isn't, but you can have some Agony ticks benefit and some not.

Over a large enough period, CoD and CoA will get exactly the same benefit from ISB, CoD moreso actually, given that CoD gives you slightly more time to cast shadowbolts given that you use up fewer cooldowns refreshing CoA.

Antoine · 03/19/07, 2:01 PM

Maybe the math works out that way, and maybe I need a larger sample size, but my tests on Dr. Boom yesterday yielded better results for CoA than CoD for me.

Gumibear · 03/19/07, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by Antoine

You're more likely to have an on-use trinket up when you put up Agony. You're more likely to have ISB up when Agony ticks. With just 1 warlock, I'd go so far as to say that Agony would do more DPS, but if you get ISB up more reliably Doom will be better.

How does the on-use trinket benefit CoA more? The best one I can think of is Icon of the Silver Crescent, which is a 2 minute cooldown. You could use it every other Doom, and its bonus is being multiplied by 2 on a Doom cast instead of 1.2 on an Agony cast.

And if you have just 1 Warlock, you're most likely not in a position to use CoA or CoD anyway.

• frmorrison · 03/19/07, 5:07 PM

Originally Posted by Antoine

Maybe the math works out that way, and maybe I need a larger sample size, but my tests on Dr. Boom yesterday yielded better results for CoA than CoD for me.

It depends on spec. If you have amp curse and 10% shadow damage, Doom should win.

If not, CoA is likely better.

doogless · 03/19/07, 5:26 PM

Originally Posted by Antoine

Maybe the math works out that way, and maybe I need a larger sample size, but my tests on Dr. Boom yesterday yielded better results for CoA than CoD for me.

sample size is entirely it, they should have equal benefit from ISB. in 60 seconds agony ticks 30 times, doom ticks 1 time - hence why you weren't seeing it.

also, regarding dps of sbolt vs drain (since I screwed up on the spell damage coefficient before)
900 shadow => 643 added over the duration of the drain (damage * (5 / 3.5) / 2)
540 base damage
10% from shadow mastery, 60% from full soul siphon
(643 + 540) * 1.1 * 1.6 = 2082 damage over 5 seconds
shadow bolt at 2484 damage (over the same 5 seconds) without bane is still more damage, and becomes even more when both bane and ISB are added in.

Zoner · 03/19/07, 5:46 PM

My own spreadsheet puts a deep Affliction build (w/ 1100 ish spell damage) at 838 dps without bane, and 899 dps with Bane.

A 7.27% dps increase.

The time shaved off all the immolate cast times translates pretty much directly into the number of additional lifetaps you need to perform to offset the increased mana cost of the extra shadowbolts.

Vigor · 03/21/07, 5:09 AM

Also, you would want to consider spell haste effects, even if there arent that many yet.
Having Bloodlust/Heroism and things like Quags eye is awesome for increase in dps on bolting. Bloodlust also lowers GCD.

I just respecced from a 40/0/21 to 42/0/19, and i like it alot better. In my opinion it is better to have intensity, dest. reach and devestation instead of getting that extra stamina. Having ISB up is awesome. I am sitting on around 16% crit without devestation, while other locks in my guild have 10%, and do not have devestation. I have my ISB up alot compared to them.

Drain Life is good many times though, when there is encounters ala vael where you take damage all the time!

I find Bane to be a better choice for myself atleast

roXet · 03/21/07, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by Antoine

The only thing I would say about this is that Doom can pull way ahead if it has certain debuffs up when it goes off, but Agony can do more damage. You're more likely to have an on-use trinket up when you put up Agony. You're more likely to have ISB up when Agony ticks. With just 1 warlock, I'd go so far as to say that Agony would do more DPS, but if you get ISB up more reliably Doom will be better.

I have been wondering, exctally how do the on-use trinkets affect dots? When does the increase in spell damage take effect? Only when the spell is cast? Or can you modify the amount of damage after the dots are already applied?

TheOnly · 03/21/07, 6:30 PM

Originally Posted by roXet

I have been wondering, exctally how do the on-use trinkets affect dots? When does the increase in spell damage take effect? Only when the spell is cast? Or can you modify the amount of damage after the dots are already applied?

Your spell damage at the time of the cast.

About a year go, it was spell damage at the time of the tick, but they changed it.