So use missidirect at the beginning of each boss fight? We don't really do that....Hmm I mean we do on some pulls but not as a rule.

And even with 10k can't some dps still catch up? Even a drood

well, depends on the level of mitigation gear the tank wears.
"aggro-gear" mass shield block
"last it out" mass mitigation

and why not abuse the hunters? they have nice burst dmg and well, make them work for their raid slot....

Indeed. I don't have a TF so no idea if it's overall threat is still better than a faster 81dps weapon. The only other arguments for TF would be not having to spec Imp Thunderclap, being lazy or those scenarios where you just can't Thunderclap (around sheeps etc).

I'm sorry if this question came up before but there's a rumor going around on my realm that mongoose can proc while in cat/bear/whatever forms. Since the description is a bit crappy saying "... to occasionally increase Agility by 120 and attack speed slightly..." and does not refer to a "on hit" chance - and also i nearly spent ~1 hour searching the internet for any info about this, i wonder if anyone tested if mongoose procs while shapeshifted and can clearly say "no it doesn't" ?

Honestly I love clapping even with TF, especially at the beggining of a fight or as an OT and on multiple mobs. As per your first sentence, the general opinion is that TF>KD for aggro and so far I suscribe to it...

Yet in the long run, money best spent enchanting which one with mongoose? :P

Crusader doesn't proc in forms, and it seems to use the same mechanics as Crusader (also it has the same animation/sound). That said, I haven't seen any Druid test it (likely because it is a very costly mistake if it doesn't work, although there is a PTR).

You can test it yourself without having to put mongoose on either.

Firstly, See how much threat you can generate in 5 mins on one of those unkillable mobs in Blasted Lands with Kings making sure thunderclap is up all the time.

Then do the same with Thunderfury without thunderclapping.

If the difference is minimal and Thunderfury's proc is up reliably enough, then stick with Thunderfury.

I wish I had the luxury of such a choice, I'm stuck with Kings and Tclap

Thanks I forgot which unkillable mobs you talking about?

I only run one minor test my self, will do it like you said now.

I think he means the "Servants of ..." which can only be killed when you get 'em to 1% then they get "banished" and you'll have to use those shards standing around.

http://www.wowhead.com/?npcs=7&filte...of;ra=-1;rh=-1

What I heard Mongoose is superior than any other enchant for tanks so just put it on both weapons.
15 agility is also quite nice but Mongoose pops up very often :>
Battlemaster just don't proc often enough to be good (atm)
Crusader gives a little extra heal and some more dps and procs also quite often
Lifestealing got too muchos resistos

So my vote is Mongoose on both, put it on that weapon first which you use the most time!

Thanks yeah those guys doh and mongoose on both? Maybe in time but thanks again. As to which one I use most? Still my beloved TF, just b/c I'm used to you, but we'll see in a few days (after testing it that way and also on Gruul and Mag)

The Thunderfury is on average an 83 dps 1h weapon.

The Mongoose enchant is utterly pimpolicious; giving the Thunderfury a 1.43 attack speed! I haven't done the math yet but, uh..

Mongoose will be nerfed, enjoy it while it lasts.

Correct. I had some other haste buff earlier when I saw it at 1.43.

Does your char screen show that or is it a mod?

One argument for putting mongoose on KD rather then TF is for mitigation (TF being better for agrro at the beginning at fights).

Mongoose was recently buffed to apply the speed bonus correctly.

Yeah I dont think Mongoose will be nerfed. Also TF at 83DPS is not the same as 83DPS from another weapon because you are not getting rage from the proc damage. So IMO, King's Defender, given the change to the TF proc and Tclap, is hands down better than TF.

Wouldn't that be an issue more for OTs then MTs? And/or as a MT you can switch from TF to KD as the fight progresses...

Yup, I've noted that with many effects who the log applies ownership of a heal to doesn't correlate with threat. Lifebloom being the easiest to test.

Per minute you mean?

And pick one for monoogse lol

It applies haste now, instead of altering weapon speed?

Yeah, hotfix that kinda fell under the radar as it was only mentioned as an edited blue post, not as any new announcement:

http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/82238332.htm

Yeah, it's been mentioned exactly 41 posts above this one: Mongoose Enchant

I ended up putting mongoose on both (farming is not too bad on my server, even as prot can do something like 100g/h on motes + what I make out of blacksmith and alchemy); they work great, even if TF is my main tanking weapon as both MT or OT. Only switched to KD towards the end at Gruul...

BTW High King (which I had seen before only once) as OT and Gruul as MT are fun :P One shotted him on what it was my new guild's second kill. I kinda took over (I also had something like 21k HP buffed; 14k unbuffed- working on getting more; and yes, I do pass on gear, just passed on the epic belt from Moroes the other day). It was cool, just before that they made me member; two days after applying (my old guild had some split/drama and was regressing). They are fun and fast players, no politics so far.

Happy Easter!