Sebila

So use missidirect at the beginning of each boss fight? We don't really do that....Hmm I mean we do on some pulls but not as a rule.

And even with 10k can't some dps still catch up? Even a drood

 

• koaschten

well, depends on the level of mitigation gear the tank wears.
"aggro-gear" mass shield block
"last it out" mass mitigation

and why not abuse the hunters? they have nice burst dmg and well, make them work for their raid slot....

 

Dots

Indeed. I don't have a TF so no idea if it's overall threat is still better than a faster 81dps weapon. The only other arguments for TF would be not having to spec Imp Thunderclap, being lazy or those scenarios where you just can't Thunderclap (around sheeps etc).

 

gelli

I'm sorry if this question came up before but there's a rumor going around on my realm that mongoose can proc while in cat/bear/whatever forms. Since the description is a bit crappy saying "... to occasionally increase Agility by 120 and attack speed slightly..." and does not refer to a "on hit" chance - and also i nearly spent ~1 hour searching the internet for any info about this, i wonder if anyone tested if mongoose procs while shapeshifted and can clearly say "no it doesn't" ?

 

Sebila

Honestly I love clapping even with TF, especially at the beggining of a fight or as an OT and on multiple mobs. As per your first sentence, the general opinion is that TF>KD for aggro and so far I suscribe to it...

Yet in the long run, money best spent enchanting which one with mongoose? :P

 

• frmorrison

Crusader doesn't proc in forms, and it seems to use the same mechanics as Crusader (also it has the same animation/sound). That said, I haven't seen any Druid test it (likely because it is a very costly mistake if it doesn't work, although there is a PTR).

 

Sebila

Ok guys, please cast your votes (informed ones only please), mongoose on:

1. Thunderfury

or

2. King's Defender?

Thanks!

PS

Damn I am as desperate lol

 

Romper

You can test it yourself without having to put mongoose on either.

Firstly, See how much threat you can generate in 5 mins on one of those unkillable mobs in Blasted Lands with Kings making sure thunderclap is up all the time.

Then do the same with Thunderfury without thunderclapping.

If the difference is minimal and Thunderfury's proc is up reliably enough, then stick with Thunderfury.

I wish I had the luxury of such a choice, I'm stuck with Kings and Tclap

 

Sebila

Thanks I forgot which unkillable mobs you talking about?

I only run one minor test my self, will do it like you said now.

 

IceBox

I think he means the "Servants of ..." which can only be killed when you get 'em to 1% then they get "banished" and you'll have to use those shards standing around.

http://www.wowhead.com/?npcs=7&filte...of;ra=-1;rh=-1

What I heard Mongoose is superior than any other enchant for tanks so just put it on both weapons.
15 agility is also quite nice but Mongoose pops up very often :>
Battlemaster just don't proc often enough to be good (atm)
Crusader gives a little extra heal and some more dps and procs also quite often
Lifestealing got too muchos resistos

So my vote is Mongoose on both, put it on that weapon first which you use the most time!

 

Sebila

Thanks yeah those guys doh and mongoose on both? Maybe in time but thanks again. As to which one I use most? Still my beloved TF, just b/c I'm used to you, but we'll see in a few days (after testing it that way and also on Gruul and Mag)

 

Kozuki

The Thunderfury is on average an 83 dps 1h weapon.

The Mongoose enchant is utterly pimpolicious; giving the Thunderfury a 1.43 attack speed! I haven't done the math yet but, uh..

Mongoose will be nerfed, enjoy it while it lasts.

 

• Vandemar

The best reason I know if to not use Lifestealing in a raid situation is that it uses Imp Shadowbolt charges, as it's a non-periodic source of shadow damage (http://www.thottbot.com/s20004). That means it should steal 20% more life, but at a bonus of an additional 6hp stolen, that debuff's probably better utilized by warlocks or the occasional shadow priest. Also, in the current scheme of inflated hp pools and incoming damage rates, 6 procs / min of 30hp each (which is about the expected rate I've heard for lifestealing) doesn't have much of an overall effect.

Regarding Thunderfury being a 1.43 speed weapon with Mongoose up- what other stacking attack-speed debuffs are involved there? TF's default attack speed is 1.90, and the Mongoose proc is only a 2% increase, which should put you at 1.86 or so.

 

Kozuki

Correct. I had some other haste buff earlier when I saw it at 1.43.

 

Sebila

Does your char screen show that or is it a mod?

One argument for putting mongoose on KD rather then TF is for mitigation (TF being better for agrro at the beginning at fights).

 

sp00n

Mongoose was recently buffed to apply the speed bonus correctly.

Item Ranking Rogue [horribly outdated]

 

Hozz

Yeah I dont think Mongoose will be nerfed. Also TF at 83DPS is not the same as 83DPS from another weapon because you are not getting rage from the proc damage. So IMO, King's Defender, given the change to the TF proc and Tclap, is hands down better than TF.

 

Sebila

Wouldn't that be an issue more for OTs then MTs? And/or as a MT you can switch from TF to KD as the fight progresses...

 

Kozuki

Mongoose is proc'ing an abnormal amount just like the previous Crusader, suggesting the proc rate is set too high.

About the Thunderfury; my formentioned 83 dps on average was prior to the last tf nerf. Since the nerf, the sword now once again proc's several times per second.

King's Defender does have Sta and +hit though.

 

TheOnly

Yup, I've noted that with many effects who the log applies ownership of a heal to doesn't correlate with threat. Lifebloom being the easiest to test.

 

Sebila

Per minute you mean?

And pick one for monoogse lol

 

• Apate

It applies haste now, instead of altering weapon speed?

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• Maestroquark

Yeah, hotfix that kinda fell under the radar as it was only mentioned as an edited blue post, not as any new announcement:

http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/82238332.htm

 

sp00n

Yeah, it's been mentioned exactly 41 posts above this one: Mongoose Enchant

Item Ranking Rogue [horribly outdated]

 

Sebila

I ended up putting mongoose on both (farming is not too bad on my server, even as prot can do something like 100g/h on motes + what I make out of blacksmith and alchemy); they work great, even if TF is my main tanking weapon as both MT or OT. Only switched to KD towards the end at Gruul...

BTW High King (which I had seen before only once) as OT and Gruul as MT are fun :P One shotted him on what it was my new guild's second kill. I kinda took over (I also had something like 21k HP buffed; 14k unbuffed- working on getting more; and yes, I do pass on gear, just passed on the epic belt from Moroes the other day). It was cool, just before that they made me member; two days after applying (my old guild had some split/drama and was regressing). They are fun and fast players, no politics so far.

Happy Easter!