Calculating Threat

Ezareth · 03/26/07, 2:33 PM

Hello,

I looked around but couldn't find anything that addressed threat mechanics although I'm sure they exist somewhere.

I heard that in the latest patch or two they introduced a 40% "Hard Cap" which I have seemed to experience as an Elemental Shaman.

I think KTM still gives full bonus to Blessing of Salvation and Tranquil Air yet on the Prince fight while at @85% of the MT's threat during stage 2, I ended up getting the MT enfeebled and 1 shotted. If the threatmeter was accurate this wouldnt have happened.

Another interesting note is that on Gruul during a wipe I was #2 on threat, yet Gruul attacked 2 shadow priests that were #3 and #4 before attacking me. I was not using tranquil air this time and only had salvation. I suspect that this is due to lightning overload's reduced threat not being calculated on KTM but I am not sure of this. Either that or Shadow priests are getting a larger threat reduction than they have on KTM, I am not sure.

Is there anyone who truly understands this here or a thread that deals with it exclusively?

castille · 03/26/07, 2:36 PM

2 things:

1) Don't rely on something like KTM to be the ultimate in measuring threat. The best it can do is estimate, as everything on our end has to be reverse engineered for the most part.

2) Mmm.. search.. Kenco: A Guide To Threat.

Kyth · 03/26/07, 3:09 PM

3) always have the latest KTM.

castille · 03/26/07, 3:34 PM

4) Always make sure everyone else has the latest KTM?

Ezareth · 03/26/07, 3:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kyth

3) always have the latest KTM.

I had the latest KTM, and considering I was at 85% of his threat on KTM, You'd think it would atleast be that close on a fight like prince with only 1 mob.

Thanks for the link to the threat thread BTW. I'll see if that answers all my questions.

castille · 03/26/07, 3:48 PM

Your KTM only responds with its aggro as it sees you doing. So, if other people had older versions of KTM, and things had shifted (or combinations of things were found to be doing things differently, or there was a bug, etc), then it does you no good if they're on an old KTM and you're on a new one.

Ezareth · 03/26/07, 4:18 PM

Originally Posted by castille

Your KTM only responds with its aggro as it sees you doing. So, if other people had older versions of KTM, and things had shifted (or combinations of things were found to be doing things differently, or there was a bug, etc), then it does you no good if they're on an old KTM and you're on a new one.

We were all current on KTM.

That is why I'm trying to find the cause of this.

I've read the linked threat thread and I've seen no data on Lightning Overload being counted.

Eastside · 03/26/07, 7:42 PM

Enfeeble ignores the person with the highest threat, even if they don't have agro. (You can go like 10% over your MT's threat before actually pulling). Therefor he can still hold agro, and you can be above him on threat, and then he can get enfeeble and insta one shotted.

Ezareth · 03/27/07, 8:58 AM

Originally Posted by Eastside

Enfeeble ignores the person with the highest threat, even if they don't have agro. (You can go like 10% over your MT's threat before actually pulling). Therefor he can still hold agro, and you can be above him on threat, and then he can get enfeeble and insta one shotted.

I understand this, which is why I wasn't riding him at 95% threat, I had thought 85% would be well within the tolerance of KTMs accuracy.

• Maestroquark · 03/27/07, 12:53 PM

The same thing happened to us one attempt on Prince this week. The highest in KTM was at about 80% of the tank's threat, anyone using KTM was up to date, and quite frankly the only 2 that weren't had no way to be that high in threat.

It was only once, though, and in many previous attempts the aggro (while still under 100%) was even closer.

Ezareth · 03/29/07, 10:48 AM

Has anyone found any information regarding the Thread reduction in Lightning Overload yet?

Louviel · 03/29/07, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ezareth

Has anyone found any information regarding the Thread reduction in Lightning Overload yet?

From the "Kenco: A Guide to Threat " thread:

Kenco: A Guide To Threat.

Ezareth · 03/29/07, 12:31 PM

Yeah I'm just looking for some type of verification so I can be certain. An update to KTM would be wonderful.

Thanks for the link.

Insect · 03/29/07, 2:02 PM

The Jedi have an opinion on KTM

BEN: This time, let go your conscious self and act on instinct.

LUKE: (laughing) With the blast shield down, I can't even see. How am
I supposed to fight?

BEN: Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them.

BEN: Stretch out with your feelings.

I run KTM for my raid but usually I know i'm gonna loose aggro before KTM does.

Ezareth · 03/29/07, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by Insect

The Jedi have an opinion on KTM

BEN: This time, let go your conscious self and act on instinct.

LUKE: (laughing) With the blast shield down, I can't even see. How am
I supposed to fight?

BEN: Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them.

BEN: Stretch out with your feelings.

I run KTM for my raid but usually I know i'm gonna loose aggro before KTM does.

Haha yeah a good sign of that is when you see that Elemental Shaman pop bloodlust and EM when he is already riding your ass on threat.