Some times each month I'm going to have to give it up too, because of my latency behaving odd 'that time of the month'. Right now I can still pull it off with reasonable gains but I'm afraid that will not be the case anymore unfortunately. Someone sell me a connection with more oomph please.

I will try and look for any confirmation of this being a bug and I urge you to do the same. Granted, our bugs are not always instantly fixed but at least recognition of the negative impact on our performance is welcomed.

Does this apply to all classes? I remember toggling off Shadow Form as triggering the gcd last time I played my shadow priest.

Toggling Shadowform most definitely triggers the GCD. I think he meant "stances".

It depends how you do it - using /cancelform or right clicking the buff triggers no GCD as I would presume was the case with Shadowform aswell. However, Warrior stances does not appear as a buff so I suppose they always get GCD (They do) as if they were changing from no stance to some stance.

What I assumed from the patch note was that Night Elves had it even worse, and now they have it just as bad as Taurens.

I assumed half the problem with the range bug was the inherent extra "cow range" taurens get. Saying that they changed the NE one to the tauren one just seemed ... weird?

We tend not to get more than 2 Rogues in raid, so I usually get into the melee dps group. I am surprised how often I am proc'ing Windfury when I powershift. I suppose the PPM thing comes into play there since I'm not swinging much more than 4-5 times a minute with my actual weapon. Its funny to see a 1.2k white crit followed by a Windfury proc. Sometimes I wonder how our actual caster-form melee compares with cat white damage. It's too bad you can't regenerate energy in caster form in the same way that you can regenerate mana in cat :p

The macro provided probably will make the powershifters (or those learning how to powershift) a little bit more efficient, which is awesome: a little bit of efficiency without losing anything is a great reward after even a short period of time.

I've seen several people mention putting up Rip before putting up the Mangle debuff. I'm not sure why you would ever do this: why would you even let one Rip tick without Mangle's debuff? That's not maximizing our DPS by any means to let any Rip tick without Mangle.

Now, of course, it's probably best to wait until you've got enough energy to do them both shortly after each other, but inevitably you'll probably have to put Mangle up again before Rip finishes, but by then you probably have 5 points anyways (or hopefully).

This of course brings to mind why I love feral druid tanks so much: Mangle is up on the target pretty much all the time anyways: hooray for easy buffs to Shred and Rip.

Back to the point: am I missing something with putting Mangle up before Rip?

And, to confirm, there is no GCD triggered for leaving forms, caster GCD or cat GCD or otherwise.

Because if you Mangle before Rip, the Mangle will wear off before the last tic of Rip, meaning you'd have to mangle twice or lose the +30% Rip damage, of course, you lose even more damage by having to mangle again (depending on armor) So it's lose-lose with mangle before Rip.

Once again, without counting crits or procs...
00:00 (100)
01:31 Rip (70)
02:00 (90)
02:31 Mangle *1* (50)
03:31 Shred *2* (8)
04:00 (28)
06:00 (48)
06:01 Shred *3* (6)
08:00 (26)
10:00 (46)
10:01 Shred *4* (4)
12:00 (24)
13:31 -Rip
14:00 (44)
14:01 Shred *5* (2)
14:01 -Cat Form
14:31 -Mangle Debuff
15:01 +Cat Form (40)
16:00 (60)
18:00 (80)
20:00 (100) *Repeat*


Also, we REALLY don't need 3 threads about Catform DPS. Most of this thread could be safely merged with the Feral Druid DPS thread

Changing out of shadowform triggers a GCD however you do it. BUT if you are already on a GCD then you can click off the buff (probably /cancelform works too but I haven't tried) and it will still work.

Mainly its handy for casting PW:S and then clicking off shadowform while only using a single GCD.

Has anyone run calculations for powershifting when you are on a bleed-immune boss and stuck using ferocious bite?

It seems as though powershifting immediately following a bite would negate the energy loss from the shifting and somewhat offset the large downtime between yellow attacks after FB.