Hello, first off I would like to just say ya'll are an awesome guild and I remember back in the days when I was on this server in Myth's Fury I remember yall being the best guild so I thought I'd come here to ask my question:

First off, here is a link to my gear:
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#c...ra&n=Lilslashy

I have just recently started doing PVE, and I would like to know some spec(s) that yall know can do sick dps with daggers in pve.

If yall could just link the specs with wowhead or any site, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you all for taking the time to read this topic.

thanks a bunch. Another question, around how much +hit have yall found is good to have for raiding?

I don't think you can cap it with current gear, and because it now increases your total energy intake as well as white damage it's slightly better than it used to be(relative to crit). My general philosophy when selecting gear has been to pick up the pieces that have the highest combined total of offensive stats, and checking the very close cases in the DPS spreadsheet.

Actually you can cap it with current gear it appears. I've seen a few rogues on armory with over 277 hit rating plus precision plus weapon expertise. 278 from gear seems to be the cap right now for level 73 mobs when you have precision and weapon expertise.

The spreadsheet also uses the 277+ number it appears because when I goto straight +8 hit rating gems that when I get over 277 I get more dps from AP or crit gems than from more hit.

Yeah i think Rj may be on to something here. Right now, i am sitting at about 270 IIRC and i am not missing anymore than 2% of the time and honestly i think this may be a little high, i would need to check Recap when i get home.

But Ippon who we all know and love is sitting at 302 i think, (24.15 hr) Good thing i know his HR and not my own, said he is missing at about 1.9% which would be pretty consistant with what i am seeing myself and have about 30 less Hit rating.

At the same time he said he didn't get any misses on Fire Elementals while farming a few days ago.

I'm standing at 99% hit with my current gear, I could easily pass the hit cap at the moment but I don't want to step even one hit rating into 0 returns.

If you count the weapon-skill it is extremely easy. My gear looks like this...
(15%) 236hr from gear
5% from talents
4% from weapon skill (16, skill, not rating.)

This is without even sacrificing much attack power or crit... I have 1500 ap and 21.2% crit with a sword spec.

I also have questions based on raid DPS, or my lack thereof lately with my 41/0/20 Mutilate build.

I have almost the exact build of our guilds main rogue, but he out dps's the entire raid daily, whereas I am lucky to be third or fourth in line. I realize he has better gear and enchants (I'm still rocking the blue daggers while he has the Moroes and Night Blade to work with, PLUS dual mongoose enchants).

Anyways here is my armory profile:

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#c...dan&n=Izabelle

Do you think I can benefit from switching to the above mentioned 15/41/5 PvE build?

Is my problem directly related to my lack of good enchants and subpar daggers?


Any help or advice is appreciated guys, you are the ones with the knowledge, and I thank you for your help.

Double Mongoose is not something to discount either.

STALKER ALERT! I'm guessing you'd be talking about Oxo? He's got like 80 less AP than you, but over 7% crit and your hit values are generally the same, that's a solid gear difference without getting into the weapon gap. The Night Blade is a VERY good weapon, check out the Rogue DPS Spreadsheet thread for some people's experiences with it.

41/0/20 is fairly weak compared to 41/20/0, and even weaker compared to 15/41/5. Given equal playskill, you should be able to match his dps with a full combat daggers build, but if he switched to 41/20/0 that might change.

Any reason for the utility build? I ran a fairly heavy Subtlety build with Mutilate for leveling, for things like Ghostly strike in soloing and 5 mans, and I think it served its purpose. But in raiding? If you want to keep Imp Sap but get more mileage out of mutilate, go 41/13/7. You get Imp SnD, some precision but still retain your heroic mode utility. 3/3 Imp SnD is pretty key in getting more finishers off with your Mutilate build and keeping Find Weakness up a lot more.

I tested going with 275 hit rating (17.4%), 10 weapon expertise (2%), and 3.59 from Latro's (0.718%) and 5% from Precision. With the numbers Crezax posted I'd have about 25.1% hit, 0.5% over the hit cap if you use the 24.6% number.

Over 1205 swings 23 missed (1.909%) on Doomwalker and Kazzak, no other mobs attacked. I can think of two explanations why I was missing:

1) 24.6% isn't the hit cap.
2) Crezax's post is wrong.

Using the old numbers for weapon skill we'd get 275 hit rating (17.4%), 10 weapon expertise (0.4%), and 3.59 from Latro's (0.144%) and 5% from Precision. A total of 22.94% to hit or 1.656% chance of missing, it's slightly off from the 1.909% from the test but considering the small sample size it's about in line with what we expected.

To me the old weapon skill rating seems to still be in effect, anyone else got any other results?

Kombatstats screenshot Here.

Could you go do some testing on the Ashtongue Corruptor mobs in Shadowmoon Valley? (this guy, for example). That would eliminate any uncertainty over exactly what the DW hit cap is vs +3 mobs (as they're level 70), and since they're immune and non-aggro until you attack their totems, you should be able to get a good long parse very easily (at least if noone comes along to do the quest).