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Old 03/29/07, 11:18 AM   #1
Riot
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[Tank] Trinket Itemization!

I was glancing over at the Irreplaceable Items threat that heel posted in Public Discussion and noticed one poster saying that still had not replace neither their Life Giving Gem nor Styleen's Impeding Scarab.

Are these trinkets still mathematically superior than the new BC tanking trinkets out there?

Is Scarab of Displacement really the new pinnacle of tanking trinkets?

Personally, my own philosophy has been to shift away from +Defense trinkets that can be booted once you have the requisite Defense for the cap. Thus, as my gear improved, I gave that Adamantine Figurine and Regal Protectorate the boot, and replaced them with Moroes Lucky Pocket Watch and Argussian Compass, the former of which is I think a fantastic trinket with a great cooldown that I use quite a bit, (such as riding out those last few ticks of Sunder Armor Malchezaar can apply, or RUT ROH, I pulled a Stagehand, pls help me, God) and the Compass has the hefty +36 stamina and a passable clickie.

But of course, I'm curious: Are these old trinkets really still superior? Are you still using them? What do you prefer?

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Old 03/29/07, 11:33 AM   #2
suicuique
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Antonidas (EU)
I still use Styleens.
The second one i choose depending on the encounter from pocketwatch/autoblocker(very nice in 5mans)/dabiris enigma or even drakefang. LGG I dont use anylonger.

The compass hasnt dropped for me yet.

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Old 03/29/07, 11:50 AM   #3
Qruz
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I also still use Styleen's, and I haven't seen a single trinket so far that'd have me switch it out. I have however scrubbed Lifegiving and I'm using Moroes Pocket Watch or sometimes Dabiri's Enigma instead of it.

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Old 03/29/07, 12:04 PM   #4
Iol
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The dabiri's pretty nice with a 1m30sec cooldown.. i Use mine on fast attack mobs when Holy shield has run out of charges to help with avoiding crushes.

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Old 03/29/07, 12:10 PM   #5
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The subject here is "tank," but more specifically for warriors the Gnomeregan Auto-Blocker(http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29387) is at least situationally pretty awesome. In my +block gear, I'm already up to 415 almost entirely with new world blues. With shield spec, the auto-blocker is 70 block value static and a total of 330 for 20 seconds out of every 2 minutes. In non-heroic level 70 dungeons this amount of block is enough to fully block attacks of some non-bosses. The damage boost this trinket does to shield slam is pretty amazing also.

The engineering trinkets are certainly worth considering as well. I can't really justify using my LGG when I have a 45 static stamina trinket.

I'm currently going Styleen's/Engineering, but I'm only two badges away from the Auto-Blocker. I'll probably go Styleen's/Auto-Blocker for easy content, but stick with the Engineering trinket for hard stuff (stamina crazy guy here)

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Old 03/29/07, 12:12 PM   #6
Hozz
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I use Styleen's and the Autoblocker. I have the Compass and DFT as well that I will sometimes swap in and out. I think I DEd my Dabri.

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Old 03/29/07, 12:24 PM   #7
Riot
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With respect to the Autoblocker -

I would posit that the amazing + block value addition is highly valued for the incredible mitigation AND additional threat gen from added damage from Shield Slam.

I'm probably not going to replace my Argussian Compass because of the stam bonus - but is the general consensus that the GAB is superior to the Lucky Pocket Watch?

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Old 03/29/07, 12:47 PM   #8
Branar
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I think it's a tough call. I generally use Adamantite Figurine (because my defense isn't 490 without it :/) and one of: Moroes, Auto-Blocker, Compass. Personally I think the on-use from Moroes blows the other two out of the water, while the Compass probably has the best passive effect.

For trivial content I wear a block value set with Auto-Blocker and Dabiri's.

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Old 03/29/07, 2:55 PM   #9
Okijin
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In any important fight block value is trivial. I use LGG and styleens at the moment (can't get the compass to drop). I know LGG isnt a huge HP boost but it is another cooldown to use at all those random time a healers spell is a second off or they are slightly incapacitated (maiden ect). Overtime any of the mitigation trinkets will get rid of more damage but LGG has saved more deaths than i like to think about.

Ideally i'de like moroes' and argussian since the former is the best avoidance trinket out there and the latter is a nice hp buffer.

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Old 03/29/07, 5:11 PM   #10
Tszyu
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Malygos
Currently I use Styleens and Adamantine Figurine. I have Moroes', but high dodge has gotten me in trouble a few times. I don't think a replacement will be found for Styleens as the block rating and high defense is great. Not to mention bonus block value.

Personally, I stopped using LGG the second I hit 10k unbuffed. I don't see 1500 hp being worthwhile in a raiding situations when bosses are hitting for 3-6k. I never cared for it as a trinket anyways since I'd take the passive bonuses over it anyday.

My theory on trinkets is using them for defense while stocking my gear with stam enchants/gems instead of defense.

I'm also a huge fan of block. I feel that its on of the best stats you can have, following stam and armor of course. With regards to the Auto Blocker, I think its a fantastic trinket. However, I wouldn't use it unless I'm doing a 5 man or have two pieces of tier 5. Blocking 500-700 of a hit is huge and may have better returns than avoidence.

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Old 03/29/07, 6:26 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Riot View Post
With respect to the Autoblocker -

I would posit that the amazing + block value addition is highly valued for the incredible mitigation AND additional threat gen from added damage from Shield Slam.

I'm probably not going to replace my Argussian Compass because of the stam bonus - but is the general consensus that the GAB is superior to the Lucky Pocket Watch?
It all depends on the incoming damage. +254 damage blocked isn't a lot of average mitigation on 8k+ hits. Block doesn't do anything for you against an elemental either. I view the autoblocker as a gimmick dps trinket and a nice toy for farming or surprising the hell out of someone in pvp.

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Old 03/29/07, 6:54 PM   #12
Suesse
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It's true that the value of block decreases on hard hitting bosses. However, if you are getting two/three-shotted by a hard hitting boss (example auto, special, auto), you can choose to play the odds and stock up on avoidance (very risky) or instead max out your mitigation (armor/block value) of each non-avoided attack and your health. Even on bosses who hit for 8k, the static value of the auto-blocker is significant, 70 block (talented) is 0.875% (almost 1%) reduction on each non-avoided attack. On use, you have a 4.125% reduction on each non-avoided attack. One might argue that 1% damage blocked is better than 1 or 2% avoided. However, it seems the best of all would be to just have higher stamina. My intuition on these fights is to just max out stamina (engineering/compass). I don't like it -- it feels wrong.

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Old 03/29/07, 7:49 PM   #13
Jayde
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Personally, I think I would lead towards Pocket Watch + Compass or Auto-Blocker rather than continuing to use Styleen's--unless I needed it for reaching 490. I don't view Styleen's as super-strong ATM, even though it is decent.

There were already arguments when it came to Styleen's vs. 2% dodge trinkets back in vanilla WoW, and that's basically what the Pocket Watch is, with an uber Use ability tacked on that somewhat tips the scales.

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Old 03/29/07, 8:57 PM   #14
gatz
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Illidan (EU)
I use styleen with autoblocker.
I let my lifegiving gem at the bank when I took the autoblocker.

Tonight I let the offtank take moroes watch.

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Old 03/29/07, 9:11 PM   #15
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Switched Styleen's for Adamantite Figurine since I had reached 28% block and losing a tiny bit of block value for 90 seconds of extra armor for padding pulls along with the autoblocker.

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