Does he pop the scarab like others pop enrage?
The auto-blocker click is noticable, but I wouldn't quite compare it to Shield Wall on a boss.

Unless you're talking about the graphic

I think this is where Sebila is confused as well. Blocking certain attacks has nothing to do with preventing crushing blows. Miss, Block, Dodge, and Parry all come before crushing on the combat table. The reason people are saying block % is useless is because you could have 40% dodge, 45% parry, and 15% miss and this would effectively prevent crushing blows altogether by eliminating them from the 1-roll combat system.

Same goes for block percentage, blocks also come before crushings so your passive chance to block also pushes crushings ofs the combat table.

I mentioned block came before crushing blows. People are arguing that it helps prevent crushing blows better than dodge, parry, or miss, which is not true. That's the point of my post.

Yes, and that is also the reason why block value just gets progressively weaker as mobs hit harder and produce higher damage spikes.
In a tradeoff between armor or hitpoints that you would give up for block value (even if the block value is twice as high as the damage armor would reduce) or whatever, people often only look at non critical scenario's.
If you study the worst case, then you probably have something where you get an instant attack followed by a crushing blow (a cleave or something will consume shield block charges even faster). The only time when you are in real danger is during such a damage spike, and at this point your block value (and block rating) will be completely irrelevant. And if you do not get such spikes, you may take slightly less damage per hit but really, the small difference made there will not bother healers much. I think this is also the best reason for not taking the Autoblocker to any fight where there might be a high damage spike.

The only thing I really like about the autoblocker in fact, is its combined use with shield wall, which can make you more or less invulnerable for a while.

Can one have 2 Darkmoon cards? It says unique, but...

The individual cards/trinket are unique, right and not the Darkmoons in general?

- http://www.thottbot.com/i31858

Darkmoon Card: Vengeance
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
+51 Stamina
Requires Level 70
Equip: You have a 10% chance when hit by an attack or harmful spell to deal 95 to 115 holy damage to your attacker.

and

- http://www.thottbot.com/i31859

Darkmoon Card: Madness
Binds when picked up
Unique
Trinket
+51 Stamina
Requires Level 70
Equip: Each time you land a killing blow on an enemy, you gain the Power of Madness.

Uhm, yeah - you can have two different Darkmoon cards with them being, well, different and all

Got the Vengeance one now and a 51 stam trinket for a non-engineer is pretty sexy. For an engineer with 45 stam trinkets available its probably a bit less appealing.

I've used 2x45 stamina engineering trinkets since level 70. I have the Lunacy and Furies deck ready to trade in for the 2x51 stamina trinkets when I get home.

There are no trinkets in existence that can justify losing 1100 hit points in my opinion. For pushing new content hit points and armor are really the 2 most important stats.

Especially true now that druids are pushing armor values that make their crushing blows close to our normal blows, our superior hit point pools are what seperate us. Allow them to get 2x51 stamina trinkets while we sit on our hands with dodge/defense trinkets removes that advantage almost completely.

Thanks guys!

Exactly Wiseman


Besides I decided not to level eng (and keep my useless transmute alchemy and bs) and go for those cards. First I bought most of lunacy, then switched to furies, but plan to get both; will work hard farming etc.

For now I even consider using Violet Badge (with +35 STA) and started on the Netherwing quest to get rev for the +45 STA one, since I sit at 15k HP but with only one T4 (gloves which I'm not using).

The main healers I talked too, when tanking Gruul and Mag told me that they love a big health bar, the buffer and they would take it over dodge etc which is unpredictable and it would just result in an overheal anyhow (especially when learning fights). As long as we have 490 defense and decent mitigation (dunno 24% block, 17-18% each of dodge and parry) I would sacrfice my adamantite trinket and Styleen's. My priorities are to keep aggro and not to die (love castsequence macros to heal yourself), even if my role has changed from MT to OT after a merge, but even so when one-shotting Mag I was able to act as 5th tank (last add) and replacement clicker.

How would you value this against a darkmoon card?

[Shadowmoon Insignia]
Equip: Increases defense rating by 36.
Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 32.
Use: Increases your maximum health by 1750 for 20 sec.
Cooldown: 3 minutes

Brooch can, it's quite nice to be able to say I have last stand now.

I just got the Brooch of the Immortal King as well. Huzzah! It is actually usable with the Regal Protectorate, i.e. they don't block each other out, unlike +AP-use trinkets - if you were to equip and use both at the same time, you'd get +2150 max health. Shiny.

Cooldown is 5 mins on both.

I've already bored you to death with this, but in case you get nothing else to read:

Would you use the 2 +51 STA trinkets and have like 15.3k HP and 20% dodge and block, 17% parry or use only one and have around 14.7k HP but 23-24% dodge and block, 17% parry?

I was MT at Mag, now OT at Hydross.


With this 2 sets (Madness/Legacy and Vengeance/Furies) and Thunderfury I was pulling aggro as an OT at Hydross in:

- Berserker stance, dw but other then that tanking gear. I did prayer of healing for 1730 or something and that was it (after TF proc). Happened almost each pull.
- Defense stance auto attacking LAWL. This was hilarious.

Oh and who said Legacy/Madness is broken and that it doesn't proc? That thing procs just by being in combat and out of range, w/o hitting anything! Razz Never seen anything like it. Incredible, maybe now it's broken in a good way Smile. Take this with a grain of salt though, the sets are brand new for me, but it's true, it happened.

BTW we got the boss, yay!

from personal experience you want to keep max stam on hydross ( just because you cant afford a dodge early after a transition)

other then that i use styleens + scarab

I see (except that I was an OT and tanking the adds).

Thanks!

You need to get the killing blow so the vengeance proc is far more useful for tanking. Lunacy is good for grinding... and thats about it (unless tend to always get the killing blow in pvp).

Ive been comparing the trinkets lately on Gurgleblaster for us druids and noticed the Argussian Compass with it's rumors around the absorb use part of it. To get my doubt away i'd like to ask ye this: Does it make ya immune to crushing hits?

If not I dont understand why it is rated that high on Gurgleblaster, considering the new darkmoon cards have quite a bit more stamina (specially for the druids).

Seeing as this thread has been wisen fwom it's gwave, I'm curious how all the Warrior's are looking at trinkets now we've had a few more months to analyze everything. Everyone still grasping to that Impending Scarab?

Right now, I'm craving to use the pairing of Gnomeregan Auto-Blocker and Romulo's Poison Vial for trash and easy encounters but, sadly, the latter hasn't dropped in months and months of weekly Karazhan runs.

Considering how much deliberation I had in getting it, I haven't found myself removing the Auto-Blocker since I got it. I frequently pair it with Scarab of Displacement over Moroes' Lucky Pocket Watch too due to my newly found disdain for items focusing on dodge.

Argussian Compass only comes out for Astromancer, Adamantine Figurine only comes out for Leotheras, Brooch of the Immortal King comes out for Hydross.

This is what I posted at my guild forums and it's basically the 1 roll theory explained in graphics. This way you can conclude for yourself how usefull block rating is and if you wantto decide to go for it or not

I was just wondering how the threat from Darkmoon Card: Vengeance would be? Would you be willing to sit out something like Styleens/Gnomeragon Autoblocker? Hit points aren't too huge of a problem for me right now but I would love to build more threat. Those of you that have, Darkmoon Card: Vengeance, how much would you say your threat increased on the average?

You would drop 51 sta for 20 defense rating and 24 block value?

Even ignoring the added threat, this looks like a no brainer to me.

edit:
For the threat, our MT doesnt have one but for one of our hydross tanks (the FrR tank), it procced for a total of 3.4k damage. Now, he isnt being hit for the entire time, but I'd guess around 80% of the time he is getting hit. So if we consider 3.4k damage for 8 minutes, thats ~8.9 tps.

I wouldnt really get the trinket for its tps, its the +sta that makes it so amazing.