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Old 09/28/07, 3:17 AM   #151
Wymsprocket
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
Indeed. I know I can check mana gained in Recount when I'm on my priest and select spellsurge and see who gave me how much spellsurge mana at least.

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Old 09/28/07, 10:54 AM   #152
Kagekami
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Human Rogue
 
Earthen Ring (EU)
Thought

Originally Posted by Belenos View Post
Actually, the message that you get is "You gain 10 Mana from Spellsurge." You get this regardless of whose Spellsurge procced. I just tested this again in 2.2.

Overall there is no way I can find to determine whose procced, either through scanning buffs, the combat log, or any other API.

I have been thinking of alternative ways to coordinate among users of CasterWeaponSwapper to account for this, but I am at a bit of a loss. I can add some sort of communication protocol to help users of the mod coordinate when they swap, but I am fuzzy on the details. Any suggestions would of course be welcome.
Could it be that if it's your proc they have cut the redundant "your" out, and it says

"You gain 10 Mana from Spellsurge."

whereas if it comes from another user it'll actually display the name thusly:

"You gain 10 Mana from Billybob's Spellsurge."?

I'll test this tonight if you haven't found the answer already (work ftw).

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Old 09/28/07, 1:32 PM   #153
frotty
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Priest
 
Mug'thol
Originally Posted by Belenos View Post
Actually, the message that you get is "You gain 10 Mana from Spellsurge." You get this regardless of whose Spellsurge procced. I just tested this again in 2.2.

Overall there is no way I can find to determine whose procced, either through scanning buffs, the combat log, or any other API.

I have been thinking of alternative ways to coordinate among users of CasterWeaponSwapper to account for this, but I am at a bit of a loss. I can add some sort of communication protocol to help users of the mod coordinate when they swap, but I am fuzzy on the details. Any suggestions would of course be welcome.
I get the same results as the screenshot above, I can clearly see who's buff is ticking on me. I'm not sure how the default combat log gets transformed into that combat log, I use SimpleCombatLog, an Ace addon.

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Old 09/28/07, 5:32 PM   #154
Belenos
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Azuremyst
I am not sure which screenshot you guys mean. However if you are referring to SimpleCombatLog, it uses the Ace library that parses the combat log and reports on it. I looked into the code when I was testing, because I was curious how it was coming up with the Spellsurge owner. If I remember right, there was basically a default case, where if no owner was reported, it assumed the buff came from you. So I don't think that is any help.

I will try to re-test what it says when someone else's Spellsurge procs and you gain mana. However right now no one in my guild (or apparently in all of Shattrath...) has a Spellsurge enchant and is willing to help me. So I'll test it this weekend if I can. Or if someone else can test it or dig through a combat log to see it, that'd be great.

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Old 09/28/07, 5:35 PM   #155
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Gnome Monk
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Belenos View Post
I am not sure which screenshot you guys mean. However if you are referring to SimpleCombatLog, it uses the Ace library that parses the combat log and reports on it. I looked into the code when I was testing, because I was curious how it was coming up with the Spellsurge owner. If I remember right, there was basically a default case, where if no owner was reported, it assumed the buff came from you. So I don't think that is any help.

I will try to re-test what it says when someone else's Spellsurge procs and you gain mana. However right now no one in my guild (or apparently in all of Shattrath...) has a Spellsurge enchant and is willing to help me. So I'll test it this weekend if I can. Or if someone else can test it or dig through a combat log to see it, that'd be great.


That was the screenshot being referred to by people, as you can see, the final entry mentions one 'Arthuria' giving 10 mana through spellsurge to the player taking the screenshot, as well as one above the entries generated by the player's own spellsurge.

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Old 09/30/07, 9:01 AM   #156
Amanit
Glass Joe
 
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Troll Shaman
 
Cho'gall
Well even wws seems to have a way to find the owner of the spellsurge. Not sure if that helps at all but I figured it couldn't hurt.

Wow Web Stats

Scroll to the bottom and you will see the proc. It seems like some other mod makers have found ways to do it. Both my combat log and wws have accurately recorded which spellsurge belong to who.

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Old 09/30/07, 11:53 AM   #157
heel
Great Tiger
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Mannoroth
Originally Posted by Kagekami View Post
Could it be that if it's your proc they have cut the redundant "your" out, and it says

"You gain 10 Mana from Spellsurge."

whereas if it comes from another user it'll actually display the name thusly:

"You gain 10 Mana from Billybob's Spellsurge."?

I'll test this tonight if you haven't found the answer already (work ftw).
Pretty sure that this is how it works.

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Old 10/02/07, 12:18 PM   #158
Snowrelax
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Medivh
Originally Posted by Lanthon View Post
9800 mana returned per group member for one Magtheridon encounter...I'd be interested in hearing how much mana a shadow priest could return during that fight. As a shadow priest, my group doesn't have mana issues often, making me wonder if Spellsurge is worth it in that case. I do wholeheartedly agree though that you can get two weapons (one of which has spellsurge) and just use them appropriately.
My Shadow Priest only has 900 spell damage buffed, but she returns 18,000 mana per group member during a Mag fight. Also note, my mag kill only took 7 and a half minutes, not 17... lol.

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Old 10/02/07, 3:16 PM   #159
Belenos
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Azuremyst
Okay, I did some testing. For the curious, it does say something like "You gain 10 mana from Belenos's Spellsurge" when someone else's spellsurge ticks, but it just reports the 10 mana whan your own ticks. Not sure if this is a new change or I missed it in my prior testing.

At any rate, I can adapt CasterWeaponSwapper to tell the difference between the two, so it will work well in a Spellsurge group. This also means that the mod can report on your Spellsurge procs vs the total number of procs (including others' procs). I'll try to get a fixed version out by the end of the week.

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Old 10/02/07, 6:08 PM   #160
Stein
Don Flamenco
 
Worgen Rogue
 
Doomhammer
I searched for wizardry and didn't find it in this thread so...

spellsurge and [Blade of Wizardry] were made for each other. both 50s CD, both 15% proc rate. I'm going to try both with CWS this week and see how it goes. I changed the lua to look for ancient knowledge (Blade of Wizardry) procs instead of spellsurge. should prevent the 5x5 spellsurge problem for now.

Ideally I'd probably wait for both to proc before swapping back I guess, but i'm not that ambitious.

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Old 10/03/07, 12:52 AM   #161
Amanit
Glass Joe
 
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Troll Shaman
 
Cho'gall
Originally Posted by Belenos View Post
Okay, I did some testing. For the curious, it does say something like "You gain 10 mana from Belenos's Spellsurge" when someone else's spellsurge ticks, but it just reports the 10 mana whan your own ticks. Not sure if this is a new change or I missed it in my prior testing.

At any rate, I can adapt CasterWeaponSwapper to tell the difference between the two, so it will work well in a Spellsurge group. This also means that the mod can report on your Spellsurge procs vs the total number of procs (including others' procs). I'll try to get a fixed version out by the end of the week.
Thank you so much for your efforts this will make a huge difference.

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Old 10/03/07, 4:22 PM   #162
Belenos
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Azuremyst
I have updated CasterWeaponSwapper based on the new info on Spellsurge.

WoWInterface Downloads : CasterWeaponSwapper

I intend to add swapping by link instead of name (so you can have multiple weapons with the same name) in the next version, but that is neither here nor there.

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Old 10/16/07, 11:57 AM   #163
hirisov
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
CWS for arenas

Hello,

first of all Belenos thanks a lot for CWS, it's really a nice addon Let me have a few question, suggestion about it please.

Now a short introduction to help understand my question: as s2 takes this long and i was about to cap 5k pts again i had to spent some points for my resto druid gear, so i bought the healing offhand (as s3 offhanf upgrade is so marginal, i got 5/5 armor+idol, cba to spend 3.2k on mainhand when s3 is hopefully close and - due to lack of a good healing mh using it with my spellsurge weapon only atm (sha'tar exalted). My caster weapon for arenas is Exodar Life-Staff - Items - World of Warcraft. i also have a staff for innervating, which has 70 spirit enchanted - Staff of Divine Infusion - Items - World of Warcraft with 20spi enchant.

My problem is, that CWS uses the same slot for low mana and spirit buff. Since my caster staff has very nice mana regen under normal circumstances (better than that crap blue spirit heavy weapon except innervate , i like to use it on low mana also, and only would switch to the 70spi weapon when innervating. Currently i have to do

/cws off
/equip staff of divine infusion
/cast innervate

and then /cws on when innervate is over. So basically it uses 2 buttons from my action bar, which could be saved if CWS would have a separate option for low mana and spirit buff weapons. i know i might sound greedy, but pretty please would it difficult to implement such?

My another question is about swapping timing and spellsurge cd feedback. I know now it's made to do this while casting, to avoid GCD which is very good. But as a druid i use instants in arenas in like 80-90% of time, and i notice delays due to gcd coused by swapping. I can understand it is hard to make with instants, but if i could see when the next swap is inc spellsurge-wise (ofc u can't predict the other swaps, like low mana swapping etc) with some visual feedback, that would be so great help, as i could stack some hots right before the swap and pause casting for a few seconds till the swapping happens - i tried to search on other adon which tracks spellsurge cd and notify me, but wasn't succesfull so far, so i was thinking if it should be very hard to include in CWS, think that would be a very good feature for pvp. Back to swapping timing, could you please explain how it is working exaclty if i just spam instants when the switch time came? It tries to swap at begining of casting? Or after it? Or try to w8 a bit for a non instant cast to come? Or what exaclty the method is?

Last edited by hirisov : 10/17/07 at 5:53 AM.

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Old 10/16/07, 5:29 PM   #164
Belenos
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Azuremyst
I think it would be best if this thread was kept to discussion of Spellsurge (and how to best use it). I'll add your idea to my todo list for CWS, but if you'd like to keep talking just about my addon, send me a PM or email, or I could start a thread in the AddOns forum.

Regarding Spellsurge in arena play, I'm not sure what the best option is. I wasn't sure if people put Spellsurge on arena weapons. For example I would think that an arena is one place where a healer would *always* prefer +81 healing to getting 100 mana back over time. Do people think getting 100 mana back (probably just once per match) worth it? (Personally I don't play in arenas much)

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Old 10/16/07, 9:26 PM   #165
hirisov
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
Hello Belenos,

i saw more ppl use spellsurge in arenas. But they (and me also) usually dont use it for the primary weapon. The primary weap has 81 heal ofc, but it worths to get a secondary for spellsurge procs. Especially for outlast teams, sometimes we have 25 mins 2v2's so then it definitelly worths having spellsurge.

Last edited by hirisov : 10/17/07 at 5:53 AM.

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