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Old 03/31/08, 2:37 PM   #181
Bendyr
Piston Honda
 
Undead Rogue
 
Dragonmaw
Originally Posted by Potential View Post
Has there been any discussion regarding spellsurge following patch 2.4? With the new model for calculating spirit I can already feel a significant boost in my mana regeneration. Given these new changes is it even worth giving up +81 healing for spellsurge anymore? I'm curious to hear what people think.
For an individual caster it has never been "worth it" to give up 81 healing for a proc that works out to be 9 mp5. However, if you consider the contribution to your whole party, given an appropriate group makeup, the proc is actually worth 45 mp5, which most people would definitely consider more useful than 81 healing, although it's definitely an indirect line.

The best solution that I have been urging most of my raiding healers to do is to get CasterWeaponSwapper and get the best of both worlds. Expensive, expensive worlds...

Last edited by Bendyr : 04/01/08 at 4:37 PM.

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Old 04/01/08, 12:39 PM   #182
Potential
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis
Awesome, thanks for the info.

I had actually planned to acquire the 150 badge Healing Mace and use it as my spellsurge weapon. Expensive worlds indeed...

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Old 04/01/08, 1:56 PM   #183
Tagamogi
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by Turgid View Post
The latest version of CWS on curse.com was updated on March 20, 2008 and claims to be for 2.4, but doesn't appear to be working properly.
You may want to check your combat log filters and verify that your combat log records spellsurge. I have the same March 20 version, and it was working fine for a couple days after the patch, then it suddenly stopped swapping after I edited my filter settings. I took the lazy way out and just re-enabled the log display of everything, and after that the swapper worked again.

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Old 04/01/08, 4:22 PM   #184
Belenos
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Azuremyst
I released the latest version of CasterWeaponSwapper before 2.4, but it should be fully 2.4 compatible. It swaps weapons based on your mana levels, so if your item sets and mana thresholds are set up (and CWS is currently turned on), it should swap with no problems. It does rely on the combat log for Spellsurge swapping. This works in 2.4 too. If it's not working, and Spellsurge appears in your combatlog, let me know by PM or email and I'll look into it.


Regarding Spellsurge in general, it's up to each user. You do have to jump through a few hoops, and you do decrease your average +healing by a bit, but when your groupmates start asking where this Spellsurge buff is coming from, you may find it worth it.

Author of CasterWeaponSwapper: suggestions welcome by forum PM or to wikwocket@gmail.com.

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Old 04/01/08, 4:58 PM   #185
galzohar
Bald Bull
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Darksorrow (EU)
Overall for healing efficiency (and even better boosting party's DPS if you're a shaman) having spellsurge on swap seems quite worth it, at least if you can get a weapon that isn't like 4 tiers worse than your current.

What should exist is an "emergency mode" you can turn on (preferably along with the emergency heal macro most healers would have, or in other words have it a macroable command as well as a bindable hotkey), that puts on your healing weapon for the next heal (or next few heals or just keep the healing weapon until told otherwise) regardless of spellsurge cooldown. This will prevent the "I heald tank from 1 HP to 4k HP and he died to a 4030 hit becuase I had my spellsurge weapon or else I would've healed enough to save him" kind of embrassing situation (or any other more complicated example where it can make the difference). While this won't help if you don't know a burst is coming, you'll at least be able to not suffer from the lack of +healing when you actually acknoledge an emergency situation is here (or is coming soon).

The only unhandleable risk is having to cancel your heal mid-GCD to heal someome else that is going to die right when the addon decided to swap in the spellsurge weapon. Not only you have to wait for the weapon swap GCD to finish, you also have to heal with the lesser weapon as if you hit your emergency heal macro you will reset the global cooldown yet again and put yourself in a bigger hole than you started with. Fortunately, this situation (as well as similar situations that only include one of those issues) would be significantly rare.

Wether the risk involded with the low chance of this killing someone is worth it for the extra mana regen (and thus extra healing potential if mana is actually an issue to start with and more DPS if you're in a DPS group) is near-impossible to figure out, especially if protecting people from random damage is by far more important than mana efficiency, mana efficiency is a neglicible factor in the fight/raid you're running with and you're in in a DPS group.

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Old 04/02/08, 7:06 AM   #186
Hybred
Glass Joe
 
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Blood Elf Priest
 
Stormreaver
For the CWS I have a bug for you.

CLICK (Spellsurge is detected, but the weapon is not swapped.)

It says who the Spellsurge comes from as well, so I'm sure it just needs a full 2.4 update to fully function again.

Also, disable weapon swapping messages when not in combat. When I mount up I get a "Swapping to Regen" print that shouldn't be there. (I'm at 100/100%).

Other than that, thanks alot!

Last edited by Hybred : 04/02/08 at 7:12 AM.

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Old 04/02/08, 10:57 AM   #187
Turgid
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Priest
 
Hellscream
Originally Posted by Tagamogi View Post
You may want to check your combat log filters and verify that your combat log records spellsurge. I have the same March 20 version, and it was working fine for a couple days after the patch, then it suddenly stopped swapping after I edited my filter settings. I took the lazy way out and just re-enabled the log display of everything, and after that the swapper worked again.
It was pilot error. It's working properly for me now.

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Old 04/02/08, 3:19 PM   #188
Belenos
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Azuremyst
Originally Posted by galzohar View Post
What should exist is an "emergency mode" you can turn on that puts on your healing weapon for the next heal (or next few heals) regardless of spellsurge cooldown.
You should be able to make a macro like this:
/cast Flash Heal
/use Mega Staff of Healing

Or you could do it like this, which would only activate the heal swap when you hold shift:
/cast Flash Heal
/use [modifier:shift] Mega Staff of Healing


Originally Posted by Hybred View Post
For the CWS I have a bug for you.

CLICK (Spellsurge is detected, but the weapon is not swapped.)
From the screenshot, it appears you are not in combat. Spellsurge swaps only happen when in combat. This is because when you're out of combat, the casting and Spellsurge sets aren't used at all. The theory is, if you are not in combat, you probably only want pure regen, or more max mana, you probably don't need more +healing.

Once again, Spellsurge support has been updated for 2.4 and seems to work well, and as a bonus no longer requires localization for new languages.

Author of CasterWeaponSwapper: suggestions welcome by forum PM or to wikwocket@gmail.com.

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Old 04/02/08, 5:15 PM   #189
Hybred
Glass Joe
 
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Stormreaver
From the screenshot, it appears you are not in combat. Spellsurge swaps only happen when in combat. This is because when you're out of combat, the casting and Spellsurge sets aren't used at all. The theory is, if you are not in combat, you probably only want pure regen, or more max mana, you probably don't need more +healing.

Once again, Spellsurge support has been updated for 2.4 and seems to work well, and as a bonus no longer requires localization for new languages.
I was in combat when the log was created. Maybe you have to be in a group, maybe you have to be healing something other than yourself, but it was not swapping when I had a boar attacking me and I was spamming myself with Flash Heal.

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Old 04/02/08, 5:22 PM   #190
galzohar
Bald Bull
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Darksorrow (EU)
[quote=Belenos;696907]You should be able to make a macro like this:
/cast Flash Heal
/use Mega Staff of Healing

Or you could do it like this, which would only activate the heal swap when you hold shift:
/cast Flash Heal
/use [modifier:shift] Mega Staff of Healing
[quote]

Obviuosly this would equip the weapon, but after the burst would be over how will the addon know to put spellsurge back in action? Or will simply not do anything after it equipped the spellsurge weapon until a spellsurge procced, making me need to manually/macro equip the spellsurge weapon to get the addon working again?

Based on your post I assume that having the addon swap right back to spellsurge weapon after you manually swapped to healing weapon (as spellsurge isn't on cooldown) doesn't happen?

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Old 04/03/08, 4:36 PM   #191
Belenos
Piston Honda
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Azuremyst
Originally Posted by Hybred View Post
I was in combat when the log was created. Maybe you have to be in a group, maybe you have to be healing something other than yourself, but it was not swapping when I had a boar attacking me and I was spamming myself with Flash Heal.
My bad on the in-combat thing. Perhaps, try adding in the weapons in your main casting set to the high mana and low mana sets. Perhaps it got confused by the lack of items there. The mod uses a state machine, perhaps it didn't recognize you leaving the high mana state since you had no weapons defined for it.


Originally Posted by galzohar View Post
Obviuosly this would equip the weapon, but after the burst would be over how will the addon know to put spellsurge back in action? Or will simply not do anything after it equipped the spellsurge weapon until a spellsurge procced, making me need to manually/macro equip the spellsurge weapon to get the addon working again?
This is a good point. For now, you can swap to your main set (AND tell the mod that you're doing this, so swap back later if necessary), like so:

/cast Flash Heal
/script CasterWeaponSwapperEquip("", "", CasterWeaponSwapperVariables.castingMainHandLink, "", CasterWeaponSwapperVariables.castingOffHandLink, "", CasterWeaponSwapperVariables.castingRangedLink, 3)

Last edited by Belenos : 04/03/08 at 4:42 PM.

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Old 04/06/08, 6:07 AM   #192
Hybred
Glass Joe
 
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Blood Elf Priest
 
Stormreaver
Originally Posted by Belenos View Post
My bad on the in-combat thing. Perhaps, try adding in the weapons in your main casting set to the high mana and low mana sets. Perhaps it got confused by the lack of items there. The mod uses a state machine, perhaps it didn't recognize you leaving the high mana state since you had no weapons defined for it.




This is a good point. For now, you can swap to your main set (AND tell the mod that you're doing this, so swap back later if necessary), like so:

/cast Flash Heal
/script CasterWeaponSwapperEquip("", "", CasterWeaponSwapperVariables.castingMainHandLink, "", CasterWeaponSwapperVariables.castingOffHandLink, "", CasterWeaponSwapperVariables.castingRangedLink, 3)
Yeah the mod works perfectly in raids and groups... When I was testing it on a boar I wasn't getting procs at all.

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Old 04/07/08, 1:08 PM   #193
Turgid
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Priest
 
Hellscream
I can confirm that it works while soloing, at least for me... I had switched to my dps weapon and then suddenly it was swapping me to my spellsurge weapon and then my +healing weapon because I had forgotten to disable it.

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Old 04/07/08, 4:07 PM   #194
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Upsidazi
Gnome Monk
 
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Just as a bit of extra information to (hopefully) help with the problem. CWS works fine for me on trash, but doesn't work on Kalecgos for some reason. Haven't checked other bosses yet.

This is with two [Hammer of Atonement] one with Spellsurge, one with +81 healing. Have tried adding my +81 healing one to the high mana and low mana sets too, didn't help.

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Old 04/07/08, 5:17 PM   #195
Bendyr
Piston Honda
 
Undead Rogue
 
Dragonmaw
CWS does not distinguish between two weapons with the same name. Belenos has stated this on other threads.

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