Spellsurge - Page 2

Vontre · 04/12/07, 6:55 PM

Ok, I'm trying to incorporate this into my mage spreadsheet which is pretty trivial with how I've built my mana consumption calculations. However I need to know the proc rate and mana regained. The OP says 15% proc rate, but the tooltip says 3%. Which is it? That's a masssive difference.

Quasar · 04/12/07, 7:19 PM

It's definitely more than 3%. Maybe that 3% is covering up the hidden cooldown? It procs far too often to be 3.

nataku · 04/12/07, 7:34 PM

Originally Posted by Quasar

It's definitely more than 3%. Maybe that 3% is covering up the hidden cooldown? It procs far too often to be 3.

According to Thottbot, the proc rate on spellsurge enchant is actually 15%:
http://thottbot.com/s27997

Kazanir · 04/24/07, 2:31 AM

A warlock friend of mine with this enchant logged on test recently and said that the procrate seems much, much lower now, as if they stealth-fixed it to be the stated 3% procrate. She said the difference was noticeable, although she didn't collect actual data. Any confirmation?

archz0r · 04/24/07, 3:50 AM

I find it proccing a lot as long as the 30 sec cooldown isn't up, certainly more than 3%.

dogtato · 04/27/07, 1:13 PM

At the end of the day, my proc counting addon usually shows a 6-8% proc rate. I've been extolling it's virtues to every healer I come across and several have seemed convinced after being in the same party as me. I personally prefer it to 81 healing.

As far as comparing it to 40 damage, if I were an elemental shaman it would give me a free lightning bolt every minute and a half. In my current weak elemental gear, that's an extra 1k damage or 11 dps. Chain casting lightning bolts with +40 dmg and no crits would cause about 1800 extra damage (assuming full 40 extra per cast) or 20 dps.

If I were alone the choice would be obvious, but since there's up to four other people getting an extra 11 dps...

Lanthon · 04/27/07, 4:04 PM

9800 mana returned per group member for one Magtheridon encounter...I'd be interested in hearing how much mana a shadow priest could return during that fight. As a shadow priest, my group doesn't have mana issues often, making me wonder if Spellsurge is worth it in that case. I do wholeheartedly agree though that you can get two weapons (one of which has spellsurge) and just use them appropriately.

Nuke · 04/27/07, 4:59 PM

Originally Posted by Kazanir

A warlock friend of mine with this enchant logged on test recently and said that the procrate seems much, much lower now, as if they stealth-fixed it to be the stated 3% procrate. She said the difference was noticeable, although she didn't collect actual data. Any confirmation?

So is there a confirmation of nerf on PTR?

dogtato · 04/27/07, 6:43 PM

Originally Posted by Lanthon

9800 mana returned per group member for one Magtheridon encounter...I'd be interested in hearing how much mana a shadow priest could return during that fight. As a shadow priest, my group doesn't have mana issues often, making me wonder if Spellsurge is worth it in that case. I do wholeheartedly agree though that you can get two weapons (one of which has spellsurge) and just use them appropriately.

divide your damage done by 20? At around 700dps, I think it'd be around 2k per minute per member assuming it's all VT'd. So 9800 just from spellsurge is a pretty respectable amount.

Oren · 04/28/07, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by dogtato

divide your damage done by 20? At around 700dps, I think it'd be around 2k per minute per member assuming it's all VT'd. So 9800 just from spellsurge is a pretty respectable amount.

Uh, 5

graenger · 04/28/07, 4:03 PM

Originally Posted by Oren

Uh, 5

What's 100%/5 and what's 100%/20?

Moos3d · 04/28/07, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by Lanthon

9800 mana returned per group member for one Magtheridon encounter...I'd be interested in hearing how much mana a shadow priest could return during that fight. As a shadow priest, my group doesn't have mana issues often, making me wonder if Spellsurge is worth it in that case. I do wholeheartedly agree though that you can get two weapons (one of which has spellsurge) and just use them appropriately.

How many people in your group had it? There's no way one person could restore that much mana with it. It has a 30 second cooldown so it would have had to proc 98 times which would put the length of that Magtheridon kill at 49 minutes with one proc every 30 seconds.

Oren · 04/28/07, 4:51 PM

Originally Posted by graenger

What's 100%/5 and what's 100%/20?

He said 20, VT is 5% return.

dukes · 04/28/07, 5:25 PM

Originally Posted by Oren

He said 20, VT is 5% return.

He said

divide your damage done by 20

So... 100% divided by 20 = 5%. Right?

felixjendrusch · 04/30/07, 5:29 AM

Originally Posted by Moos3d

How many people in your group had it? There's no way one person could restore that much mana with it. It has a 30 second cooldown so it would have had to proc 98 times which would put the length of that Magtheridon kill at 49 minutes with one proc every 30 seconds.

*selfquote*

Originally Posted by felixjendrusch

Today we were able to build our first group consisting of 5 healers with Spellsurge. I've counted all our Spellsurge procs during the Magtheridon encounter with an addon.

Spellsurge: You have gained 9800 Mana by Spellsurge (98 procs) in 17 minutes and 58 seconds.