Amanit

I just realized a potential flaw to cws which was never a problem until now with the wide spread use of haste on healer gear, you incur a 1.5 gcd when you swap the weapons. This was never a problem because cws hid the cool down in the spell cast and since the fastest cast of any healer is 1.5 seconds there was no problem, until of course they introduced spell haste on a massive level and thus you can get 1.5 second casts down to 1.3 second for example.

I have about 100 passive spell haste which brings my lesser healing wave down to 1.4 seconds. When cws swaps my spellsurge weapon in I incur a 1.5 second gcd which is now longer then the cast and I receive a spell not ready message. The heal doesn't go through, the raid wipes, etc, etc. It would seem that blizzard unintentionally nerf'd this mod.

 

vorda

Are you sure the weapon swap cooldown stays at 1.5 and doesnt scale with haste? (since your normal GCD does)

 

galzohar

Not sure, but even if it does, since before you never wiped due to losing 0.1 second every ~1 min, no reason you should wipe now. If you need the mana, the HPS loss is neglicible. If you don't, however, obviously do everything you can to get max HPS.

 

Belenos

On the haste issue, I am not sure if haste affects the weapon swap GCD. I do agree that even if it doesn't, it may still be worth it to do swaps. You may only have a dozen swaps in a long fight, so it shouldn't interrupt you very often, and only .1 - .2 seconds here and there.

Also I wanted to post that a new version of CasterWeaponSwapper is out, which should recognize Spellsurges better, so it will properly swap away from the Spellsurge weapon. I was using the function CombatLogGetCurrentEntry(), but apparently the latest combatlog event is not always available in this way. Now I query the arguments of COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED directly, so all Spellsurges should be recognized.

Author of CasterWeaponSwapper: suggestions welcome by forum PM or to wikwocket@gmail.com.

 

Roywyn

Weapon swap GCD is fixed 1.5s for mages at least. Posted it on the "Brutal Gladiator's Swift Judgement" thread.

The Blue Bar and you - the complete Fire Mage 2.4 mana compendium: http://elitistjerks.com/658230-post3191.html

DPS spec and class comparison in Naxxramas gear: http://code.google.com/p/simulationc...i/SampleOutput

And [Timbal's Focusing Crystal] doesn't proc on AM.
Neither does [The Egg of Mortal Essence] since 3.1.

 

HenryHippo

I know this post is a little old so sorry for reviving it...

I was trying to figure out if Spellsurge would be a good idea to be used by DPS classes, after reading through this thread, there was only one person talking about using it in a Caster group, our guild has been thinking about using Spellsurge for casters, but from my reading about Spellsurge.

I haven't really come across anyone talking about caster dps using spellsurge. As a Warlock a life tap or two will overcome the mana gained from Spellsurge over 5 minutes or so, and that will result in about a loss of 13 dps in the 5 minutes (3.2s GCD allows for 1.28 SB's assuming at 2700 per SB, spread over 5 minutes). Which is compared to the loss of 40 dps, (while the Spellsurge enchanted weapon is used) using spellsurge (used Leulier's spreadsheet for this dps difference). I was testing [Wub's Cursed Hexblade] with Soulfrost to [Blade of Twisted Visions] with Spellsurge, which our the best weapons at our stage of progression, and they have similar dps values (again taken from Leulier's spreadsheet.

From that it seems Spellsurge would lose dps, but that is taken completely from a selfish point of view, it doesn't include the bonus you would give the group, the mana that everyone else gains, and the mana the healer spends healing you.

So, would you guys consider it beneficial in a caster group or not? I am leaning towards no, but this is my first attempt at theorycrafting (if you can call it that), so hopefully it is moderately accurate, my guild was interested in trying to get most of our caster dps to use this, which is why I started thinking about it. I was hoping you guys could paint a clearer picture for me?

 

Johnneke

I'm actually more interested in knowing if it's beneficial for personal dps if you have say 2x Tempest of Chaos or something like that and use the autoswap addon everytime it procs. For casters dps that is.

 

averly

I am sure that depends completely upon your mana situation as a dps caster/what your group composition is. Pre-2.3, I ran a spellsurge weapon as an arcane mage. I had a boomkin in my group who did the same thing. We saw noticable benefits from it. After 2.3 I understandably went fire

The boomkin just got a new weapon so he put spellsurge on his old one. He is in a group with locks and doesn't get a SP normally, so the added mana on a reasonable weapon makes sense for him. If I get a spare, "good" weapon I will probably do the same and keep it in my bag for those long fights where we are sucking mana at the end. It doesn't happen often but every couple weeks I am in a situation where I am moving healers in and out of SP/manatide and if I had a spellsurge to help I would be utilizing that as well.

 

Tidy_Sammy

I finally got Dark Blessing last night from ZA, I had been using a Vengeful Gladiator's Salvation prior to that, I decided to make the ZA mace my main weapon and I put spellsurge on my S3, I downloaded CWS but I can't manage to get it to weapon swap.

Here is a picture I just took of my CWS settings, anybody have any idea what I'm doing wrong?

 

Bendyr

I think you need to put items in your "High Mana" and "Low Mana" sets, even if it's just duplicates of your main casting set.

 

Altirias

Don't get used to it though, since in patch 2.4.3, weapon swapping will interrput your current cast (to prevent swapping the insane arena haste weapons with regular dmg / heal weapons and benefint both)

 

Tidy_Sammy

I've just tried that and it's still not working sadly, thanks for the effort though!

Edit - Infact it worked! Thank you, now not sure if the % settings on the various bars (Cast to high/Low to Cast) etc should be set at anything in particular or if it won't affect it as I'm runnind the mod purely for spellsurge swap.

It's definetely not swapping to the spellsurge weapon nearly as often as it should.