My guild will be throwing ourselves at Mag in the coming weeks, so I was wondering about his Eye...

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28789

On all three pieces of Frozen Shadoweave...

http://www.wowhead.com/?search=frozen+shadoweave

the Socket Bonus is always +hit. Would it be smart to forsake the +hit and replace it with straight Red gems (inherently causing the Eye to proc the resist +dmg more) or would losing the +hit be too much of a drop in DPS?

Woooooooooooooooooo I win a Gold Star for not realizing how low the +dmg proc was =/

Does the eye only proc on full resists, or does it proc on partial resists too? If it's the latter, then it would actually be fairly good for an affliction warlock, because even with Suppression, DoTs are still very likely to be partially resisted per tick.

I have been looking at this trinket a bit myself and pondred if it was worth it. As a warlock I don't want to have any of my spells resisted since that is a waste of mana. But even though my hit gear is pretty good now I still get a lot of resist during a fight and I don't think it would be a very bad thing to acutally get some of that "refunded".

But for Silverhands question I don't think you would earn anything on getting your spells resisted, unless it's a curse or something. The main "problem" with the trinket is the rather low damage upgrade and short duration. Had it been for 20 seconds or something it might have been worth it. (Without doing any calculations on it) In the long run, and as your gear gets better I think a pure dmg trinket is more worth it.

Without trinket:
Average shadow bolt: 1500
You can cast 4 shadowbolts during those 10s

1500*4=6000 damage for 4 shadowbolts

With trinket and we begin with the first bolt resisted:
Average shadowbolt: 1670
1670 * 4 = 6680 damage for 4 shadowbolts, but you have cast 5 due to the first resist.

So you have spent 380*4=1520 mana giving you 6000/1520= 3.9 damage per mana without the trinket.

While 380*5=1900 mana giving you 6680/1900=3.5 damage per mana with the trinket.

So, you won't earn anything from getting a shadowbolt resisted with the trinket, but you can atleast cut your losses a bit since you would be down to 3.1 damage per mana without the trinket at all if you got a resist during your shadowbolt spam.

I wrote this trinket off initially because I like having my spells hit enough that I try to roll at the hit cap, but something in this thread made me think that this could be very useful for an affliction lock geared in a particular way.

I've seen several locks that take 5/5 suppression and 6% spellhit via gear to get their dots mostly unresistable, leaving them with a 10% resist on SB. I had that setup pre-BC, when hit gear was hard to come by. For that situation, this is perhaps the best trinket available.

Some quick math shows the return on the proc, if used by 4 SBs or dot application and SB to be between 483-978 damage before modifiers, which does a decent job of mitigating the lost SB.

Its an interesting way to cope with resists, as stacking spell hit does nothing but prevent them and in no other way adds damage. The question becomes whether its possible to gear such that you can get enough additional spell damage in place of the hit rating to make this approach useful as compared to stacking hit.

I had the same thought, but I've got about 5% hit on my gear that I've been utterly unable to figure out a way to drop. Items that are the best in +dmg that also incidentally happen to have +hit.

Maybe if I was willing to take +crit (but as affliction, so few of your spells can crit) I'd have seen more options, but Blizzard just doesn't like to make many pure damage pieces that I've seen.

Let's go best case. You cast CoS and have it resisted. That's a loss of a global cooldown.

You then cast all your instant cast spells... fortunately, there are 7 mobs being tanked, and you are free to cast CoA + CoD on them. You also don't refresh your CoS; you do that afterwards. Err. Yeah, real likely scenario here, but lets roll with it.

CoD has a 200% coefficent; you can cast it once. 1.5 seconds used.
CoA has a 120% coefficent; you cast it 5 times. 7.5 seconds used.

So, you're in a scenario where you have 6 mobs you can cast on; you have no limitations on what to cast on them; you are free to cast your highest coefficient spells; you realise it procs immediately and cast them perfectly with no lag, and your payoff is: 800% of that bonus 170 + damage - which is 1360 damage. Yes, shadow weaving, SM, etc etc all apply percentage modifiers to that; but they do to any other damage done, too, so it balances out.

So, in an absolutely perfect and wonderfly unrealistic scenario you get to deal an extra 1360 damage at the cost of a global cooldown. That's pretty much the same effect as throwing a shadowburn into your rotation would give you. Now consider how many times it's going to be while fighting a single target that doesn't need a full dot refresh; how many times it's going to be a shadowbolt (far more likely if you have suppression) and cost you 2.5 seconds instead of a global cooldown; how many times it's going to be a soulshatter resist; fear or enslave or banish resist...

No. You never want to drop +hit in order to use this trinket. Ever. This trinket helps mitigate a resist. It does not make a resist a desirable outcome.

There is some point at which someone with high enough +dmg and no +hit will equal the damage of someone with less damage at the hit cap over time. The difference between the two is that the person without +hit will have the potential for greater or lesser damage based on luck. This trinket mitigates the rough edges of the downside of that probability, possibly resulting in greater damage overall. Now, I agree with that soulshatter resists are horrible (fear/ban/enslave never happens to a 73 mob), but the threshold to outdamage a +hit setup is lower with this trinket. As Kyth pointed out though, I'm not even sure this is attainable, even when resorting to 70 greens of shadow wrath.

The only issue with that, Tehehe, is if you get resists within 10 seconds of each other, or if you're lucky enough to get no resists, at least in comparison to the guaranteed damage of the Icon.

One also has to consider they will lose 1.5sec of the proc, while on GCD from non-bolt resists. And depending on latency, 8sec is probably the best one can expect from proc use-time.

One of our Shaman has this and on our first night in SSC it procced 2 times (out of 285 offensive casts) in about 2.5 hours of raiding according to WWS.