When balancing hit and crit I know from my research that is almost always better than crit unless you have an abysmal crit rate.

Would the Eye of Mag change this to make crit more valuable than hit since it increases in value the less hit you have?

Skipping to a few weeks later, I now have Icon, Quag's Eye, and The Lightning Capacitor.

Just got LC today, and tinkered with it at Dr. Boom for a bit. Brief estimate from theorycraft and experimentation is that it adds about 20-25 DPS during Fireball spam, and about 40 DPS during Scorch spam. This makes it, for me, equal to roughly 45 +dmg while chaincasting Fireball, and 100 +dmg while chaincasting Scorch.

Getting Resisted once every minute means you have a 5% miss rate or 12% hit. if you are casting fireballs.

So with Fireballs you could get three off with this proc giving you 510 more damage a minute.

Or we could say with an average proc of once a minute it is up 1/6 of the time so you get 42 +28.333 or an average of @ 70 Damage.

I for one think in your case 16 hit would be for you than the 26.33 damage if you had Neltharian's Tear.

Also I'd like to point out here they further nerfed Shiffar's down to 30 crit rating now....yet they amazingly didn't fix the length of the buff or it's tooltip to match.

Or the fact that it's a 225 damage proc vs the 175 damage proc from Sextant. Shrug, I guess I won't have loot one until they buff it or nerf Shiffars.

Personally, for trash I use the Oculus of the Hidden Eye and Schiffer. When I get the icon, I will replace the oculus.

For bosses, I use the scryers bloodgem and the Oculus.

For pvp, I use my pvp trinket and Shiffer's, and when the pvp trinket is on cooldown (I still have the 5m one), I switdch in either xiri's or the oculus.

I am, overall, a fan of passive trinkets. I just think I get more bang forthe buck out of a solid +dam trinket. Icon of the silver crescent is my next big upgrade.

Quick questions:

Are the pvp trinkets on separate cooldowns. Could I equip both?

Also, what do you all think of this:

http://www.wowhead.com/?faction=1012#00zc

Ashtongue Talisman of Insight
Equip: Your spell critical strikes have a 50% chance to grant you 130 spell haste rating for 5 sec.

Am I wrong to think this is almost as bad as the Dire maul trinket? It just seems like the hast increase is negligible after the patch, and I don't even know if it has an internal cooldown.

I use Eye of Magtheridon and Icon of the Silver Crescent, 10/48/3 build. If I had Neltharion's Tear on this toon I would not be using the Eye of Magtheridon though. In raids I wear about 100 hit and 30 crit, and still get complete resists 1 in every 15 spells or so on boss level mobs, and the Eye is a nice cushion for the blow of being resisted. But overall, it's really not that good, I only wear it for the passive damage more than anything at the moment. Will be replaced with Serpent Coil Braid.

Currently I'm using Mark of Defiance and Icon... I haven't had much luck getting other trinkets to drop (got Exalted with Sha'tar almost two times over, and still never seen the Nexus Horn drop!) however I'm not certain I would be inclined to replace the Mark at this point. It seems very strong, especially on boss fights. The extra mana seems to help a deep fire build quite a bit, and the passive effect is not bad.

I have been helping my GF theorycraft a lot. I really don't know which way is up with trinkets.

She has:
Shiffar
Lightning Capacitor
Scryer Bloodgem
Xiri's
Neltharians

40/0/21 so an arcane blast spammer on trash and AB/FB cycle on bosses.

On trash I've been telling her to use Tear and Horn and bosses Tear and Bloodgem.
For PVP she uses PVP trinket and Xiri's.

Typical stats like 950 damage and 23/24ish% to crit unbuffed.

Don't have the patience to grind up the badges for the Icon after wasting a bunch of the flametongue seal and then respeccing .

So what do people recommend on trash (AB Spam), bosses and PVP. I was thinking of having her play around with LC and Nexus Horn and see what happens for trash.

I'm just worried about her losing so much damage from not using the Tear. I haven't figured out how to model the effects of the proc trinkets.

So thoughts?

As an elemental shaman and alchemist...

Have:

Xiri's Gift
Lightning Capacitor
Scryer Bloodgem
Alchemist's Stone

Wish List:

Icon of the Silver Crescent
Shiffar's Nexus-Horn


With elem shaman being so spell crit dependant to keep their mana pool going in long fights like in raids or boss fights, especially considering the incoming nerf to 100% clearcasting, I'm not sure I want to completely avoid spell crit in my trinket slots.

Lightning Capacitor is great for solo grinding especially and is worry-free; it's passive. Scryer's Bloodgem I almost never use because I'd rather get spell crit from Xiri's Gift to help fuel mana as an elem shaman, especially with plenty of spell hit available from talents and Totem of Wrath already. The Nexus-Horn appeals to me for its passive nature just like the Capacitor, and comes with both spell crit and spell damage, which is great, even if the spell damage is "uncontrolled."

For large 25-man raid bosses today, I tend to go with my Alchemist's Stone and Xiri's Gift. And again with the clearcasting nerf coming up, I have a feeling switching out the Alchemist's Stone is not going to be an option - I'm pretty sure I'll need mana from pots constantly on those long fights.

So the question, today, for me and my elem shaman is:

Is Icon of the Silver Crescent or Shiffar's Nexus Horn > Xiri's Gift, and by how much? Are the differences slight or huge, and how much does being an elemental shaman with major concerns about his mana pool lasting impact these choices? And how much of a real gap is there in how elemental shaman and mages view these kinds of trinkets?

I'm using Lightning Capacitor and Nexus Horn for almost everything, works very nice. For long fights I sometimes replace Horn with Mark of Defiance. I have Tear and Icon to choose from and theorycrafting puts LC+Horn on top. I'm pure arcane though so I don't have much use for +to hit, but at least for AB spam this combination should be on top.

The gem proc from Serpent-Coil Braid stacks with other +dmg on use trinkets. It's like double trinket madness all over again. +375dmg every 2min heheh.