Vontre's Mage DPS Spreadsheet - Page 12

Carnivean · 07/17/07, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Vontre

I will try to get this in if I can, but I think it's been fairly well established that Mystical Skyfire Diamond is far and away the best option, except for arcane specs which it is not good for at all.

Yeah it is well etablished. My main concern is, how much +dmg is the meta gem equivalent to, or better said, how much is an meta slot worth in my calculations ^^.

Thanks for trying.

Roywyn · 07/17/07, 6:45 PM

Originally Posted by Carnivean

Yeah it is well etablished. My main concern is, how much +dmg is the meta gem equivalent to, or better said, how much is an meta slot worth in my calculations ^^.

Thanks for trying.

Mystical Skyfire Diamond (5% chance to get next spell cast with half cast time)
- For spamming fireballs, it's around ~50 haste rating, which should be around ~40 damage in common gear. Mind you that it also increases your mana usage over time, it that's a concern.
- Frostbolts only get 1s cast time reduction (instead of 1.25s) since you're capped by the GCD, so it's only 80% efficient, ~40 haste, ~35 damage.
- Arcane Missiles get the benefit twice since the buff doesn't fade on channeled spells. That mean you can cast AM twice at double speed, until the buff fades after 4s (may be an expoit/fixed soon). So ~100 haste, ~90 damage.
- For Arcane Blast, it will mess up your rotations and do more harm than help.
Scorch and instant spells gains no benefit at all.

If you have spell haste gear, you'll run into the GCD on procs. Spell haste is wasted if the gem procs, so treat it like losing 5% of your spell haste gear.
Also, the meta gem requirements (more blue than yellow gems) are pretty stupid for PvE, prepare to regem most of your gear and forget about ever getting socket bonuses.
I have one in my T4 that I used for a while. It's really nice, but in my opinion not worth the hassle of gem requirements and not being able to go arcane/fire for arcane blast.

Relentless Earthstorm Diamond (+3% crit damage)
On the 2.2 PTR, it's fixed and not multiplies the final crit damage by 1.03. The damage equivalent depends on your damage, crit and spec. You can easily assign a crit% equivalent value for the meta gem.

Fire: 5.7% of your crit
Frost: 6% of your crit
Arcane: 7% of your crit
Arc/Fire: 5% of your crit
Arc/Frost: 5.4% if your crit

No crit talents (150% damage on crits): 9% of your crit
Ruin Warlocks, crit talented druids/shaman: 6% of your crit

That means if you're fire specced with 35% crit, then the meta gem will be worth 6% of 35% = 2% crit ~= +30 damage.

It's definately less raw damage than the half-cast time gem, but the easy gem requirements allow you to socket the rest of your gear better.

succulentone · 07/18/07, 3:49 PM

Hi,

My current spec is a hybrid 33/28/0 and i am still working on my gear...here is a link to my armory page The Armory

lately I've been pretty crappy on dps meters and thought i'd ask if anyone can help me maximize my spell rotations to get good dps for kara and gruul.

Right now I try to maximize scorchx5,fireblast,fire ball x2 and i throw in a instant pryo. rinse and repeat.

So how do i fix this so that I can maximize my overall raid dps?

-succ.

[DRF]Solmyr · 07/18/07, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by succulentone

Hi,

My current spec is a hybrid 33/28/0 and i am still working on my gear...here is a link to my armory page The Armory

lately I've been pretty crappy on dps meters and thought i'd ask if anyone can help me maximize my spell rotations to get good dps for kara and gruul.

Right now I try to maximize scorchx5,fireblast,fire ball x2 and i throw in a instant pryo. rinse and repeat.

So how do i fix this so that I can maximize my overall raid dps?

-succ.

get rid of fireblast, go 9:1, FB:SC. good day.

-succ.

edit: just examined your armory... with your current gear, you might want to consider mind mastery. after you gain like 800+ fire damage or so, try 10/48/3. your current build will not hold up to those other builds unless you get extremely high values of crit.

Nite_Moogle · 07/18/07, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by Vontre

Because they didn't listen to me when I told them not to put that in. =p

I'll cut you and Esteban. AB spam is always going to win a DPS war and the talents that improve it obviously increase that gap but its sustainability isn't realistic at anything but the highest gear levels with stacked shadow priest groups, and even then it's questionable.

Kimoshi · 07/18/07, 4:39 PM

Somewhat new to spreadsheets; made one for myself awhile back(wasn't near as clean and detailed as yours) that got deleted.

My question is, how do I use the cycle builder exactly? For my ABx3 AM Scorch rotation, I put Arcane Blast (1) in Box 1, Arcane Blast (2) in Box 2, Arcane Missiles* in Box 3, Scorch in Box 4, and Arcane Blast (3) in Box 5.

Not sure if I did it right. Didn't see anything new on the main tab about the cycle, so bleh.

Much thanks~

[DRF]Solmyr · 07/18/07, 4:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kimoshi

Somewhat new to spreadsheets; made one for myself awhile back(wasn't near as clean and detailed as yours) that got deleted.

My question is, how do I use the cycle builder exactly? For my ABx3 AM Scorch rotation, I put Arcane Blast (1) in Box 1, Arcane Blast (2) in Box 2, Arcane Missiles* in Box 3, Scorch in Box 4, and Arcane Blast (3) in Box 5.

Not sure if I did it right. Didn't see anything new on the main tab about the cycle, so bleh.

Much thanks~

AB3 (base cost)
AB1,
AB2,
AM,
SC

Assuming you are going through this rotation many times, it just "deletes" the first AB you'd have to cast to get it going... but after that, the rotation is correct.

Kalman · 07/18/07, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle

I'll cut you and Esteban. AB spam is always going to win a DPS war and the talents that improve it obviously increase that gap but its sustainability isn't realistic at anything but the highest gear levels with stacked shadow priest groups, and even then it's questionable.

AB3/AM/Scorch isn't AB spam, though. Far from it.

galzohar · 07/18/07, 8:04 PM

First I dunno why you'd go 33/28. It's almost as much dps as 10/48/3 but just isn't as much. However without 2/5 T5 you should probably just use the regular fireball span while keeping scorch up - stack it up then recast only when it's about to fall off, but don't let it fall off. Scorch spamming is bad, and fireblasting eats up a lot of mana for very minimal DPS increase.

Vontre · 07/18/07, 8:11 PM

Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle

I'll cut you and Esteban.

You wouldn't dare!

Listen to the Kalman-man.

alia · 07/19/07, 2:13 PM

Originally Posted by Kalman

AB3/AM/Scorch isn't AB spam, though. Far from it.

According to my calcs, ABx3, FBx2 is better DPM and DPS than ABx3, AM, scorch, assuming there's another mage in the raid keeping imp. scorch up. Anyone else finding this?

Also, Vontre or someone, how do you calculate the "Total Damage" done under the Cycle Builder section? It would make sense to multiply DPS by the total sustainability time and...there you go. However, in some cases the numbers seem a bit higher than this and in other cases an extremely large amount lower.

For instance I plugged in a 40/21 build, Did:

AB (2 -base mana)
AB (1)
Scorch
Scorch
Scorch

With 100 ms latency it seems that this would be possible. It then tells me

DPS: 1108
Time: 12:11
Total Damage: 399k.

Shouldn't that number be far higher?

galzohar · 07/19/07, 4:53 PM

It really depends what spell damage/buffs/etc you're runnign with ;p

Papajan · 07/19/07, 5:33 PM

Originally Posted by alia

It then tells me

DPS: 1108
Time: 12:11
Total Damage: 399k.

Shouldn't that number be far higher?

It looks like you left your fight duration set to 360s (6m). The total damage is capped to the fight duration, while the time will show OOM time if you're given infinitely much time.

The motivation behind the fight duration is that most fights have a limited amount of time, especially for fights with enrages (either explicit ones or "overwhelm" types).

Myrdinn · 07/20/07, 5:50 AM

Did you see the last reply from Slouken on the official forums ?

FYI, we're working on something for 2.3 to help make /stopcasting lag workarounds unnecessary.

It looks interesting... finally ... after 2 years !

Source : WoW Forums -> Casting Latency Trick - Exploit or Legit?

But, answering to the 1-spell queue implementation, Slouken however answered "Nope".
Strange... I am wondering how they plan to adress the latency issue

lxsli · 07/20/07, 6:18 AM

Originally Posted by Voliska

If I add an item to the bottom of the list (The Saga of Terokk), I can't get the drop-down menu to see it.

Copy an existing row and use "Insert copied cells" to put it in ABOVE the bottom of the table. I managed to dup blue gems like that, should work for the other tables.

zepi, what happened with your version?