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08/10/07, 11:11 AM
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#196
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Glass Joe
Human Mage
Emerald Dream (EU)
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Hey there ;)
Thx for a greate sheet.
I would love to be abel to use it fully..so if it was possible to put this helmet into the sheet ill be very greatefull.
The head
Cowl of the Grand Engineer
Cowl of the Grand Engineer - Items - World of Warcraft
<3 Urla
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08/12/07, 8:30 AM
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#197
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Hunter
Proudmoore
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Thanks again for the spreadsheet!
I've been having fun playing around with various rotations... I recently went 44/17/0 for fun (read - prep for A'lar) and was kinda underwhelmed by the damage output over time... I'm guessing it scales up considerably once you get 2/5 T5 and TLC.
I'm working on scorching less (it's a nervous twitch... don't want to lose those 5 stacks!), but is there any in-game aid you can suggest guys? I see Elk Debuff Bars mentioned by Manly, does anyone else have any suggestions?
Also, for some reason the AB/Scorch/AM Clearcasts rotation says it can go on indefinitely... Is it because of the clearcasting component? It would be nice to see some comparisons in dpm/overall damage time.
Spellstrike set bonus and Darkmoon: Crusade would be nice additions, but I'm not too worried (I can pretty much calc Crusade as a straight 80 as long as I don't have to move much, Spellstrike a little less accurately).
edit - I was digging a little deeper, and it appears that the buffed max mana value is calculating incorrectly, using 933 as base instead of the value from 'Game Stats'!$B$96, which is 1961.
Last edited by Aluscia : 08/12/07 at 9:19 AM.
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08/13/07, 12:18 AM
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#198
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My internal monologue has Tourette's Syndrome
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Originally Posted by Aluscia
I'm working on scorching less (it's a nervous twitch... don't want to lose those 5 stacks!), but is there any in-game aid you can suggest guys? I see Elk Debuff Bars mentioned by Manly, does anyone else have any suggestions?
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Depending on your unit frames . . . I know ag_uf and PitBull will let you filter / organize / scale debuffs. I use PitBull currently and it will sort debuffs by name i believe, I never search for scorch on a mob (make sure you can display the full 40). Having the spiral cooldowns / debuff timers on mob debuffs now is a hugely cool thing.
Another option is DoTimer which handily tracks sheep as well.
Finally, RDX is capable of tracking scorch across multiple mages who have it.
Last edited by spiderella : 08/13/07 at 12:21 AM.
Reason: more content
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08/13/07, 12:47 AM
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#199
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King Hippo
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Any chance of seeing a spreadsheet version with the 2.2 changes to AM factored in? I'd be very curious as to what theorycraft says about the DPS of these builds now with various pieces of procs available.
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08/13/07, 11:05 AM
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#200
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Glass Joe
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Hello,
Very nice spreadsheet. Allows for a nice guestimate on a lot of things when I'm at work and unable to log on
Would be helpful to include a couple of trinkets:
[The Lightning Capacitor] and [Darkmoon Card: Crusade]
and a pair of boots to the available options:
[Boots of Blasting]
as those are a quite common for most magi at the current progress level.
Have a good evening 
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08/13/07, 12:43 PM
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#201
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Von Kaiser
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You can go in and manually update the numbers on the items, and add your own items. I'm sure there will eventually be an update from the author with the new info, but until then, copy/insert away!
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08/17/07, 12:35 PM
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#202
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Mr. Sandman
Vontre
Gnome Mage
No WoW Account
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I'm working on a major update to the gear selector as well as the spreadsheet in general. Zexi do you still have that item table update? I'd rather not manually add them if I can help it.
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Raiding is full of challenge. Sometimes there is fire. You have to not be in the fire.
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08/17/07, 1:39 PM
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#203
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Glass Joe
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Will this update include [Veiled Noble Topaz] ? I swear I went blind checking and double-checking the gem drop down and couldn't find it.
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08/17/07, 1:59 PM
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#204
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Mr. Sandman
Vontre
Gnome Mage
No WoW Account
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Yes
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Raiding is full of challenge. Sometimes there is fire. You have to not be in the fire.
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08/17/07, 2:51 PM
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#205
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Piston Honda
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Got a question that I didn't think warranted it's own thread. I've tried looking in the the major mage threads on the board, but couldn't find exactly what I'm looking for.
I was wondering if there is a website for mages, similar to ShadowPanther.net - World of Warcraft Rogue Info - Charts, Articles, Strategies & more! where there's equipment sets listed, such as best gear attainable without raiding, best played crafted gear set, best pure +dmg gear etc..
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08/17/07, 3:03 PM
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#206
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Kir
Got a question that I didn't think warranted it's own thread. I've tried looking in the the major mage threads on the board, but couldn't find exactly what I'm looking for.
I was wondering if there is a website for mages, similar to ShadowPanther.net - World of Warcraft Rogue Info - Charts, Articles, Strategies & more! where there's equipment sets listed, such as best gear attainable without raiding, best played crafted gear set, best pure +dmg gear etc..
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Best gear for a mage without raiding....is Karazhan allowed? If so ANY item at ilvl 115-125(Prince level). If absolutely no raiding, anything ilvl 115 or lower.
And what is different about mages is the 3 different specs use different gear than rogues who use the same gear regardless of spec, so a site like that wouldn't exactly work to well.
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08/17/07, 3:24 PM
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#207
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Argent Dawn (EU)
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Get the spreadsheet and figure out what you want: ie grind, boss or PvP
Choose talents suitable for the goal; roughly, full frost PvP otherwise fire.
Work out how much +dmg a point of crit or hit rating is worth, using the top-right section of the sheet.
Use lootzor.com to identify gear.
Grind until you die.
Get an IRL rez and grind more.
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08/17/07, 3:30 PM
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#208
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Piston Honda
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edit: was responding to Haste Monkey.
You could have best +crit gear, best +dmg gear, best +hit gear lists, best +fire etc... It's not supposed to be definitive, just an organized list to save time surfing WoWhead compiling it yourself. It came in handy when I played a rogue.
But, appreciate the response at least. I was figuring there wasn't something exactly like it. I'm just returning to the game after an extended absence, want to get back into raiding and have hardly touched foot in Kara. Want to see how far I can get in gearing myself up without 25 man raiding, as none of the guilds I'd want to join would take me until I had better gear.
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08/17/07, 4:10 PM
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#209
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Piston Honda
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Minor feedback: version I downloaded @ ~4:00 pm 8/17
1) found a small bug resulting in superhigh arcane missle DPS (~4000)... found it in the calculations reference base stats. Rather than a 5 second cast it is reading arcane missles as a 1 second cast while still using the full 5-second damage total.
2) this might sound stupid, but we actually carry along a charity ret pally in our raids and I noticed that the sanctified crusader debuff wasn't an option for debuffs. that adds another 3% crit.
3) I couldn't find any mention of molten fury and wondered how you treat it. Simple theorycraft has always pegged it @ 4% increase, however there's the x-factor of having less time to DPS under 20% which decreases the effect... yet the x-factor of manipulating cooldowns/trinkets/consumables to coincide with the 20% marker which increases the effect (bloodlust, combustion, trinket, flame cap, destruction pot, etc. @ 20%). Seems like there's too many unknowns to make a distinction and wondered if you just left it @ 4%.
4) I noticed you're calculating debuffs multiplicatively, I always thought it was additive from talents and additive from debuffs, only multiplicative between the 2 totals (13% firepower+PWF * 30% scorch+misery+coe). I have no evidence to back it up, just the way I thought it was. Same with +dmg coefficients after the 10% tax. It seems like it could be multiplicative but I've done a few tests that resulted in higher max-hits than should be possible with a 1.035 coefficient on fireball, it seems like all empowered talents are additive which explains why the quick-heals & wrath only got 10%. In that case, mages got shafted even further as a flat coeficient increase to fireball is less DPS than an equal increase to shadowbolt & incinerate, despite that shadow/flame is 20% vs 15%.
edit: to add to #2 and get really fussy, you could feasibly have imp sanctity aura for a 2% dmg increase, but i guess it's irrelevant as it's a flat 2% increase across the board
Last edited by Qbert : 08/17/07 at 4:47 PM.
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08/17/07, 4:36 PM
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#210
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Mr. Sandman
Vontre
Gnome Mage
No WoW Account
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Yeah I left it at 4%. I'll look at getting the Crusader Judgement option. Dunno how you ended up with 1 sec arcane missiles but I've significantly altered the cast time calculations for the next revision, so hopefully that clears up.
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Raiding is full of challenge. Sometimes there is fire. You have to not be in the fire.
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