Vontre's Mage DPS Spreadsheet - Page 22

Vontre · 11/02/07, 2:17 AM

Originally Posted by [DRF]Solmyr

Vontre,

In "Vontre's Mage DPS v2.7.3", when I toggle "Improved Scorch on Target," the Build Comparison Fire DPS doesn't change, but the Arcane DPS goes up/down 125 DPS. Is there something I'm missing?

I'll take a look at this tomorrow.

Roywyn · 11/02/07, 7:36 AM

Originally Posted by [DRF]Solmyr

Vontre,

In "Vontre's Mage DPS v2.7.3", when I toggle "Improved Scorch on Target," the Build Comparison Fire DPS doesn't change, but the Arcane DPS goes up/down 125 DPS. Is there something I'm missing?

Check the the Calculation tab, cells A642 to C652.

With an Arcane spec and Imp. Scorch in the raid, fireball spam is better than arcane missile spam. Without Imp. Scorch, fireball damage goes down, and may or not be lower than arcane missile spam.

That's just dumb for a spec, really ...

Edit:
A huge

for you, Vontre, keeping all the work and this awesome sheet up.

Searix · 11/03/07, 6:59 AM

Woot, new 2.3 chaotic data too plz

Gnag · 11/04/07, 3:50 AM

I cannot find the darkmoon card: wrath in the Trinket option in the gear. Is it normal and intended or I'm a looking at the wrong place?

Roywyn · 11/04/07, 6:03 AM

Originally Posted by Gnag

I cannot find the darkmoon card: wrath in the Trinket option in the gear. Is it normal and intended or I'm a looking at the wrong place?

Just use [Eye of the Beast] instead, they are pretty similar in power ...

Myrdinn · 11/04/07, 7:47 AM

Thanks for your follow up Vontre !
This new version is nice

Just a little point, you are still using Spirit to improve Evocation.
Evocation 2.3 is not in and Int during evoc should replace spirit.

Vontre · 11/05/07, 4:55 PM

Originally Posted by Myrdinn

Thanks for your follow up Vontre !
This new version is nice

Just a little point, you are still using Spirit to improve Evocation.
Evocation 2.3 is not in and Int during evoc should replace spirit.

Yeah I realized that after I posted but didn't care quite enough to post a hotfix.

I'll get it worked out in the next push

as well as the "better" CSD calculations.

Chentoka · 11/06/07, 10:02 AM

Hi Vontre,

Would you be able to add Moonkin Aura to the buff options please? We seem to switch between being supported by a moonkin druid and an elemental shaman; sometimes with both if we've got mainly affliction warlocks (or if me and the Destro 'lock get left in charge of group assignments and feel like some comedy crit rates).

Also the Band of Eternity names need fixing in the same way that you sorted Violet Signet out; I emailed you my modded version of v2.7.2.1 where I'd done those names so feel free to cannibalise it.

Just to echo what others have said, this sheet is awesome and I can't thank you enough for all of the work you've put in to it. If you're ever in the UK I'll buy you a pint!

Copernicus · 11/07/07, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Vontre

Yeah I realized that after I posted but didn't care quite enough to post a hotfix.

I'll get it worked out in the next push

as well as the "better" CSD calculations.

Assuming 1100 damage and capped hit, at what crit percentage does CSD overtake MSD (for deep fire and deep frost)? And at the equilibrium point, which one scales better with more damage?

Vontre · 11/07/07, 4:09 PM

I just uploaded a fix for the Chaotic Skyfire Diamond.

v2.7.3.1

Copernicus · 11/07/07, 9:37 PM

Thanks.

So after looking at the spreadsheet and doing some back of the envelope math, I'm not seeing a reason to switch from a MSD to the new CSD.

And Hood of Hexing seems to be really good. Like better than Tier 6 good.

manly · 11/08/07, 12:12 AM

To be honest, I don't agree. I think CSD is more desirable than MSD. Let me elaborate.

MSD might be infinitely small dps increase over CSD (for most builds), but the problem that I have with it is that it doesn't increase DPM, whereas CSD does. Additionally, and this is the key point, since focus only lasts 6 seconds rather than 10, I could definately see procs getting lost due to movement or whichever reason. Or things like 'yay MSD proc while casting evocation...' then you get a free 45s cooldown.

Copernicus · 11/08/07, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by manly

To be honest, I don't agree. I think CSD is more desirable than MSD. Let me elaborate.

MSD might be infinitely small dps increase over CSD (for most builds), but the problem that I have with it is that it doesn't increase DPM, whereas CSD does. Additionally, and this is the key point, since focus only lasts 6 seconds rather than 10, I could definately see procs getting lost due to movement or whichever reason. Or things like 'yay MSD proc while casting evocation...' then you get a free 45s cooldown.

On the other hand, after a MSD procs, the mage has 45 seconds worth of dead time. I honestly can't say which situation is better as I don't have any experience with trying to work around hidden cooldowns for procs.

Then again, I just reexamined it with a minor amount of haste. I realized that haste is probably better for CSD than MSD. It is true, but I really don't want to get in the math of evaluating how much my crit% + haste rating needs to be for a spreadsheet CSD to be better.

Finkum · 11/08/07, 1:45 AM

Bug report: the new boots Footpads of Madness, when picked from the Gear Selector, are missing the 25 spell haste rating listed on wowhead.

Regarding MSD/CSD, consider:

- Spirit is now even less valuable for mages due to the changes in how Evocate works.
- All of our tier helms still spend a significant amount of their item points on spirit.
- The only pve helms with meta sockets available to non-engineers before Illidan are said tier helms (ignoring the Consortium/Heroic Badge helms because, well, they suck).

Given all the above, I'd forgo a metagem and instead use of the many helms with 3 regular gem sockets such as [Spellstrike Hood]/[Hood of Hexing]/[Cowl of the Grand Engineer] etc.

I'll plug the values into the spreadsheet later to get definitive answers, but I'm guessing the dps loss is minimal, and you get the additional benefit of greater freedom with your gem choices (which is very satisfying if you are a terminal socket-bonus-matcher such as myself).

Vontre · 11/08/07, 3:20 AM

CSD is likely to be flat-out better because of the socketing requirements, opening up yellow gems for hit rating and socket bonuses easily outweighs the tiny potential damage loss.

Your results may vary.