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Old 04/12/07, 4:12 PM   #1
Miraanda
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Shaman Enhancement DPS spreadsheet

Has there been a spreadsheet developed yet, or in development similar to the fury warrior sheet? i know one also exists for rogues, was trying to do a search, but its disabled for some reason, any help is appreciated, thanks.

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Old 04/12/07, 4:36 PM   #2
Skiace
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i made one that i tried to keep up to date throughout TBC beta, but i haven't really touched it in a couple months. It had a lot of stuff in it, but was pretty unfriendly to new users, and i didn't have any of the fancy itemization stuff in it that the warrior and rogue sheets have. additionally, i never tried to model the 3-second windfury cooldown. i suspect it would be difficult to do accurately.

i can't even give you a link to the last version i made, since it was on my laptop which has since died and i have not yet recovered the hard drive.

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Old 04/12/07, 5:12 PM   #3
Miraanda
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Hmm, im just looking for an idea of what shaman enhance dps does compared to other pure dps classes, does anyone have any way of finding that info? as far as real numbers go.

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Old 04/12/07, 5:35 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Miraanda View Post
Hmm, im just looking for an idea of what shaman enhance dps does compared to other pure dps classes, does anyone have any way of finding that info? as far as real numbers go.
sw-stats.com

Skiace is right, I don't think anyone's actually finished a shaman spreadsheet due to the complexity and massive variance in damage due to Windfury. You need incredibly large sample sizes of actual data to get information close to what a prediction sheet will give you anyway; I wrote a program a few months ago that mimicked a Shaman meleeing quite accurately and ran it for what would be well over a year of constant melee and was still a few tenths of a percent off on my Windfury proc rate.

You should expect numbers fairly similar to a fury warrior [which means it varies wildly depending on gear], probably slightly less due to shamans having a lower threat cap.

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Old 04/12/07, 5:57 PM   #5
sabashra
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I put something together recently. It's far from perfect or complete but it gives some reasonable estimates of enhancement shaman DPS with various gear and buff options.

http://www.savefile.com/files/633759

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Old 04/12/07, 7:06 PM   #6
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I'm thinking about doing something like that in the future, but it's a little complex to model I think.

I'm more familiar with spell damage mechanics.

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Old 04/13/07, 11:29 AM   #7
Disquette
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Originally Posted by Nite_Moogle View Post
I wrote a program a few months ago that mimicked a Shaman meleeing quite accurately and ran it for what would be well over a year of constant melee and was still a few tenths of a percent off on my Windfury proc rate.
would you be willing to repost a link to the code?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...6766?page=3#41
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Old 04/13/07, 12:38 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Miraanda View Post
Hmm, im just looking for an idea of what shaman enhance dps does compared to other pure dps classes, does anyone have any way of finding that info? as far as real numbers go.
Just started raiding this week and my gear is pure crap. Threath is what limits me on most fights. On Fights where that is not an issue (like mag) I do really good fully potted With BoM and battleshout.

Ill try to get some hard numbers, maybe with booth wf5/4 and wf 5/5 the next week.

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Old 04/14/07, 5:55 PM   #9
Disquette
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Since I havent had a response yet, I'm working on my own enhance modeling script right now, and it's written in visual basic scripting so that anyone can open it as a text file and input data that's relevant to them (AP, rank of WeapMastery, Armor Mitigation, Offhand Enchant, etc).

Current hold ups are reporting format and how glancing blows will be working in the near future. I'm pretty happy with the way I'm modeling flurry (harder than i thought at first!) and WF.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...6766?page=3#41
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Old 04/16/07, 1:18 AM   #10
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Maybe I just run with a really good warrior, but there are only a few fights where I find threat to be my limitation and I'll finish in the top 3-4 DPS depending on how much moving or touch up healing I have to do. I've felt threat limited on Prince before, but only on days that we had no paly in the raid.

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Old 04/17/07, 8:16 AM   #11
Disquette
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My Script is done, and the real shocking result is that WF's proc rate is MUCH MUCH higher than 20%.

At first I was wondering why my modeling script kept under reporting WF compared to ingame tests. After a while, I figured I'd look at the combat logs (thousands of hits on mobs in blasted lands, I've had a mind numbing couple of days). Here's the result of a standard CombatLog parse (i've done several, and each shows the same thing):



This has been consistent, and I've been tearing my hair out trying to figure out what was wrong with my model. It turns out nothing was. For instance, lookie here, when I put a 34% proc rate for WF into my modeling script....



The relative WF to White Dmg is correct (within 1%), and in my ingame tests (1205 seconds, 1160 white swings) my dps was 380.2, compared to the 376 (again, 1%) predicted by the model. I think my model is right. I also think that the "20% to proc on hit" is really really wrong.

Either WF is saving charges, or the rate is actually higher, or it's influenced by flurry, or... or...

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...6766?page=3#41
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Old 04/17/07, 8:40 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Disquette View Post
Either WF is saving charges, or the rate is actually higher, or it's influenced by flurry, or... or...
Or as it has a hidden cooldown it's proc rate is actually higher than it says it is? That would be consistent with a number of trinkets and enchants.

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Old 04/17/07, 8:50 AM   #13
Disquette
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Yeah, I'm thinking that's the most likely, but that the proc rate is determined by your weapon speeds in order to get it close to the 20% "as advertised" in the tool tip. Note how in the SS of the simulation run the Actual WF proc rate over all white hits (the last line) is indeed ".2" = 20% for those two weapons. I used the same weapons in the modeling script that I used for the in-game tests.

If someone else wants to see if the proc rate varies by weapon speed to back into the 20%, that's cool, but I think I'm done for now. too much testing.

PS - can you link a discussion on the trinkets you were talking about, I'd be really interested in reading those mechanics.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...6766?page=3#41
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Old 04/17/07, 9:15 AM   #14
Galanna
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Originally Posted by Disquette View Post
Either WF is saving charges, or the rate is actually higher, or it's influenced by flurry, or... or...
Or the proc% may depend on opponent level.

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Old 04/17/07, 9:28 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Disquette View Post
PS - can you link a discussion on the trinkets you were talking about, I'd be really interested in reading those mechanics.
I think I was remembering wrongly on the trinkets (I can't find a thread about it at least), the closest I could find was some discussion on Spellsurge here. There's a few discussions about trinkets and their hidden cooldowns in the varying 'What is the best trinket for my role?' threads, but it's not as interesting since there's no trinkets out there with hidden cooldowns that mention their proc rate, which makes it a bad comparison to this discovery about Windfury.

Last edited by Chicken : 04/17/07 at 9:33 AM.

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