>< knew I would've forgotten something when it came to math.

Anyone got an extremely patient rogue friend or a rogue alt on another account?

http://www.thottbot.com/?s=evasion

http://www.thottbot.com/s25656
Go go AQ20 with 25% crit (and above).

After seeing that piercing howl and shield bash daze apply to bosses now, does anyone know if blade twisting works on bosses?

I think I read about this in the High Astromancer Solaran post. That people where noticing piercing howl on the boss, very intreging that as you say that we could get the full 125% out of steady shot if the rogues use blade twist.

I'm rather ignorant about rogues since its one of the few classes I have played. Is blade twist a passive ability or an energy use manuver?

It is passive, but I can't imagine many rogues taking it unless there aren't other good options at that level.

http://www.thottbot.com/s31126

I wonder if Concussive Barrage also is included in this...
MM Hunters have synergy with other MM Hunters, if so :P

I solve this with bringing 3-4 extra gear pieces with me.

Stamina and 105hit for trash - Stamina is i must say, best stat for trash and repair costs
134-136hit for bosses

I used to do the same thing. The thing is, generally speaking the gear with Hit is "best in slot" for pure non-Hit DPS anyway. Either that or it is really, really close. Honestly, it doesn't matter enough to get that extra 50 AP, 4% Crit, and however much Int/Stam I get from switching those four pieces of gear. I'd much rather have the space in my bags and not have to worry about enchanting another set of gear for trash (otherwise using this gear is pointless, because the best enchants more than make up for and oftentimes surpiass the gear change). Plus, I doubt you'll find any hunter who uses a point-based or queue-based loot distribution system who is willing to waste his priority on gear he'll only use for trash. And I doubt you'll find any fiat loot system that is willing to give a hunter loot that he won't use on any bosses unless no one else wants it anyway.

Now, if you have some PvP gear you like to use for trash to save on repair bills/wipes and that you'd enchant anyway, then that's another story altogether.

With the changes to items in the next patch, I don't really see this as an issue anyway.

Sorry to ask, but I've been searching PTR notes etc. I can't seem to find any reference to this outside the EJ forums. Has this just been witnessed on bosses on the PTR? Because it's a fairly major mechanics change if it's true.

Yeah, if you're even somewhat serious about PvP, PvP gear is a good option. 11k + hp unbuffed = no deaths on trash

usually....

What ratio are you using for +hit from weapon skill? I've always thought it was 0.04% bonus per point of skill, making Trolls with bows (and Dwarves with guns) just 0.2% better total, or ~3 hit rating. You would need 133 to cap yourself against bosses with 365 defense. Your calculations seem to imply about 0.2% hit per point of weapon skill.

1 Weapon Skill gives 0.04% Crit, and 0.24% Hit, and most likely 0.1% crit per Weapon Skill you have more than your target's Defense Skill (so 355 Weapon Skill vs 350 Defense will yield 0.5% bonus Crit).*

From Lactose.

I miss so rarely I'm inclined to go with these numbers, and I missed noticably more (perhaps once per boss fight) with a crossbow.

Is that calculated from the added 1%/level miss rate we have for higher level mobs? Or from testing? It looks like the former.

1% / 5 skill per level = 0.2%
0.04% hit per 1 weapon skill

0.24% total

I was under the impression that the added miss rate on higher level mobs was strictly based on level, not weapon skill.

Doesn't make much sense, you're dividing by 5 twice.

The troll/dwarf racial increase skill by 5, not rating. It's a full "level" of extra weapon skill as such.

Never mind.

But I still think it is silly that some one would complain having to enchant other gears other than their regular raid DPS gear.

Not dividing by 5 twice, just not being very clear I guess.

The accepted +% hit rate per point of weapon skill was 0.04%. That is just an arbitrary number Blizzard chose.

Hunters noticed a while back that for every level a monster exceeded their own, they had an additional 1% miss rate.

If this additional miss rate is caused by a difference in defense/weapon skill then each point of skill will give you an additional +0.2% hit against monsters above your level. For a grand total of 0.24%

If this miss rate is caused by a difference in level (like spell resists) then each point of skill only gives the base +0.04% hit we initially expected.

A simple way to buff +hit for boss fights is to grind the Mag’hari Exhalted Axe – Hellscreams Will. It has HR 42 and AP 84. Add Savagery and it isn’t so bad a nerf on RAP.

I switch this in for Legacy for boss fights to take me to 126HR.

That said - after the Legacy buff in 2.1 though I may have to think of a new tactic
But it’ll probably take 2 or 3 +hit gemed items to achieve the same result…

For Extra stamina gear... use PvP gear that gets enchanted anyway if you ocasionaly pvp.

For hit, i disregarded extra weapon skill from racial entirely untill its confirmed either +0.04% or +0.24% per skill (not rating). Tests were done pre-TBC and pre-skill changes (glancing, more crit and stuff...)

We don't realy know if they changed ranged skill allso when they changed melee right?

Correct.
Pre-TBC, I did some extensive testing on Weapon Skill and its impact on Hit, giving the 0.24% per Weapon Skill value. Post-TBC, I haven't been able to parse stuff, and the old values don't seem to be correct any longer.

I know it's anecdotal, but I see a difference in my miss rate from the Kazzak pants (http://www.thotbott.com/i30739). These raise my bow skill by 4.1. I raid with a hunter who has basically the same hit% (I have 88, he has 85) and the main difference is that I have the Kazzak pants and he doesn't. Based on our raid stats for several raids, my miss rate seems to stay about 1% less than his.

I guess I'd need to find a way to actaully test this though.

0.01/4.1=0.00244=0.244% to hit / weapon skill

If nothing else, it's in the right ballpark in terms of agreeing with pre-TBC weapon skill. More testing would be good, though.