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Old 04/13/07, 9:51 PM   #31
Benita
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Tauren Druid
 
Dentarg (EU)
try to find the best gear solution that provides max sta+mitigation+avoidance with some lower limits you want for sure.

going below 60% mitigation is not really an option, going below 25% avoidance shouldnt be one either, going below 12-13k hp unbuffed neither.

then adjust to the encounter. having a full bank of gear and using it, was and is, what a raiding tank has to do.

for example im using Illidari Bracer of the Monkey (33sta, 21agi, 115ac) and the t4 head instead of umberhowls collar and the stylin purple hat. its more total but not lacking in any part of the equasion. having the other gear banked to achieve more one sided stats on cost of others is a good option. get the good+easy to get stuff first, then get the more rare parts.

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Old 04/13/07, 10:02 PM   #32
Eylirria
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Pandaren Mage
 
Whisperwind
My personal goal is 27,000 armor, so that when I have the priest/shaman +%armor buff from critical heals I hit the 75% mitigation cap (~31,000 Armor)

I also wouldn't want to drop my avoidance below ~25%, like Benita, but as a druid I find it extremelly hard to dip below that, as, like you said, when it comes to agility:dodge, we have the hands down best ratio, and a couple +agility enchants give us a lot of mileage.

Stauros, I wanted to check your armory profile but you seem to have your Cat gear saved there, any chance you could flash us your bear gear? We might be able to provide you more specific/useful feedback if we knew what you're working with.

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Old 04/14/07, 2:25 AM   #33
 Lorewanderer
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* "Omen of Clarity": This spell is no longer castable in "Tree of Life Form" or "Moonkin Form".
Any earthly idea why they made this change? I thought they were actually in favor of meleekin. Tree of life... well, I don't see why anyone would bother. Not much of a nerf, but more of an, "um, why did this matter" sort of question.

Apart from that... wow. Must say I'm slightly shocked that they did as promised and made changes that seem to maintain druid tank viability heading forward.

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Old 04/14/07, 5:18 AM   #34
Solstice
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Night Elf Druid
 
Sylvanas (EU)
* "Mangle(Bear)": Damage increased by 15%, but bonus threat reduced so that overall threat generation will be unchanged.
* Shapeshifting costs reduced
Being a feral most of the time I'm particularly pleased to note that we've been thrown a bone and given back some PvP viability. I'll be interested to see how feral's fair in 5v5 arenas with these changes as it will mean we're a bit less useless once forced into bear. The reduced mana cost of shifting should allow us to stack more AP and crit without using our utility.

* "Teleport: Moonglade": This spell is no longer castable in "Tree of Life Form".
* "Tree of Life Form": The tooltip has been corrected to indicate "Nature's Swiftness" and "Rebirth" are castable in this form.
* "Omen of Clarity": This spell is no longer castable in "Tree of Life Form" or "Moonkin Form".
* "Barkskin" now reduces all damage taken, with its duration reduced to 12 seconds and cooldown reduced to 1 minute.
I'm disappointed that the issues with restoration PvP haven't been addressed though. The notable difference is the change to barkskin - I would really like to have seen an armor buff for ToL, perhaps a removal of the (ridiculous) snare, and the means to dispel in ToL form.

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Old 04/14/07, 6:27 AM   #35
Nathariel
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Is anyone else unhappy with the changes to armor values on the T4 and T5 items? It seems to have forced us into using that and the Heavy Clefthoof.

The changes made seem to have forced them into continuing the same stupid amounts of armor on anything that is remotely like a druid tanking item. It would have been much more sensible to have reduced the armor on some of the quest rewards and kept the same multiplier as pre 2.0.10

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Old 04/14/07, 7:12 AM   #36
Ochiba
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Originally Posted by Nathariel View Post
Is anyone else unhappy with the changes to armor values on the T4 and T5 items? It seems to have forced us into using that and the Heavy Clefthoof.
What were you planning on using instead of T5, seriously?

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Old 04/14/07, 7:18 AM   #37
Kazanir
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Originally Posted by Nathariel View Post
Is anyone else unhappy with the changes to armor values on the T4 and T5 items?
Nope.

'War' is too small a word for what I'm fighting. Like a candle in front of the whole burning Sun. Now, I am not going to die today. I have other projects, and other options.

You can come with me. I can protect you.

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Old 04/14/07, 8:19 AM   #38
Falk
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I'd be unhappy if druid tanks had to go back to the days of Ghoul Skin Tunics and other random trash drops/lv40 epics...

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Old 04/14/07, 8:21 AM   #39
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Just posted this on my guilds forums, but it might as well belong here too.

Well technically the first isn't from testrealm, but to show the difference wearing practically the same gear, the first is bearform on normal, second is bear on test. Check the armour/dodge/health - I swapped the clefthoof boots because they're clearly better on test now than the green ones.

The two screenshots after are the first stages of epic flight form quest (the very first is from a druid trainer to go to cenarion refuge but i cba counting that :P ). I can't get any further with the flight form quest as (unsurprisingly) theres no herbs on the AH and I'm not a herbalist. Working on getting some herbs transferred with an alt though.

The last screenshot shows just how overpowered lifebloom is going to be with the healing stacks (check how "bad" my +healing/etc is compared to what you can get atm).






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Old 04/14/07, 8:37 AM   #40
Kharlis
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Originally Posted by Nathariel View Post
Is anyone else unhappy with the changes to armor values on the T4 and T5 items? It seems to have forced us into using that and the Heavy Clefthoof.

The changes made seem to have forced them into continuing the same stupid amounts of armor on anything that is remotely like a druid tanking item. It would have been much more sensible to have reduced the armor on some of the quest rewards and kept the same multiplier as pre 2.0.10
yes, i am.
It removes the choices in gear somewhat when something is insanely better than everything else.

i like choices ...

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Old 04/14/07, 9:18 AM   #41
Benita
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Dentarg (EU)
keeping heavy multipliers has the downside of... well they multiply

its hard to balance for example cross class slots+gems like rings for warriors+bears at the same time with those multipliers. the 12sta gem for example was simply too overpowered with the old hp multiplications.

while i dont like that everyone will go for specific tokens now either, its not like crafted blue gear from skill lvl 350 should be the endgame tanking gear for illiadan. that defeats the purpose of loot dropping in raid instances somewhat.

making class specific drops working in the benefit of their class seems obvious. just because itemization sucked for feral druids (pvp parts were some of the best raiding tanking+dps gear choices in the game) and ppl got used to get their easy to get items buffed with multipliers till they can use em, doesnt mean the changes arent right and good.

going into kara, gruul, maggy in clefthoof=good, leaving in t4=working as intended, needing t4 for SC+TK=working as intended.

the only thing missing is expensive epic crafted gear as an alternative to gruul/maggy/kara drops like tailors or blacksmith have.

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Old 04/14/07, 9:28 AM   #42
Lumi
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Kil'Jaeden
I think we had an entire instance and half full of offset feral loot. No one was amused.

On a serious note, I'm sure they'll add off-set pieces akin to off-set warrior tank loot. Other than the AQ 40/Green Dragon era (which was a lot of loot for a small upgrade), going with your tiered set was the way to go with warriors back then.

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Old 04/14/07, 11:50 AM   #43
Zeln
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Here's the screenshot of the reward to the flight quest
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...wiftflight.jpg

Additional idol reward:
Idol of the Raven Goddess
Binds when picked up
Unique
Relic Idol
Equip: Increases the healing granted by the Tree of Life form aura by 20, adds 9 critical strike rating to the Leader of the Pack aura, and adds 9 spell critical strike rating to the Moonkin form aura.

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Old 04/14/07, 12:33 PM   #44
Morghus
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Originally Posted by Zeln View Post
Here's the screenshot of the reward to the flight quest
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...wiftflight.jpg

Additional idol reward:
Idol of the Raven Goddess
Binds when picked up
Unique
Relic Idol
Equip: Increases the healing granted by the Tree of Life form aura by 20, adds 9 critical strike rating to the Leader of the Pack aura, and adds 9 spell critical strike rating to the Moonkin form aura.
How much is 9 crit rating in %, and can that compete with the Shred-idol in party-dps sufficiently for me to use it over the other?

The fact that they're adding it makes me happy, because it shows they're listening to the druid community. Good stuff.

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Old 04/14/07, 12:47 PM   #45
Lord BEEF
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So how does rolling lifebloom interact with trinkets? If I pop a +healing trinket and then keep it rolling continuously, will the subsequent stacks keep the bonus that I had when trinketed?

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