Modeling Darkmoon Card: Wrath

Norwest · 04/19/07, 12:49 PM

This is a small spreadsheet I made for modelling the effects of the New Darkmooon Card: Wrath. This card applies a stacking buff to your crit % on regular hits. Details can be found here:
http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/04/16...tats-revealed/

The spreadsheet calculates the average +crit% effect of the trinket. Mathematically it works by calculating the average number of time between crits. The spreadsheet then calculates the amount of flat +crit would be required for the same time between crits.

The spreadsheet only needs your crit% and works for all classes provided they are continually hitting a mob.
It can be found here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ayzomu5zqd5

Any question, comments, or improvements to the sheet are welcomed. Thank You.

hip · 04/19/07, 4:51 PM

Now the question is how you would get the most use out of this trinket. Ideally you would want a class that typically has a low crit% and high ap/+damage, at which point the damage boost would be pretty big. I could see this working really well with maybe a scorch spam fire mage, because the charging->charging->crit->charging->charging->crit mentality seems like it would work pretty well to assure ignite gets its ticks off, although this trinket doesnt really have a synergy with critical mass or combustion. TBH I really cant think of a class that puts down consistent direct damage but doesnt stack crit in some form or another.

Teenee · 04/19/07, 5:03 PM

Problem is a Scorch spamming mage probably has one of the highest innate crit rates in the game. With some crit gear (and selfbuffs), I sit @ 41% crit rate on scorch.

• Aldriana · 04/19/07, 5:09 PM

Spreadsheet is a bit off because the trinket has a max of 20 stacks - hence the "# of consecutive misses" should cap out after 20 noncrits in a row, which will drop the value of the trinket ever so slightly.

I wrote a Python program that performs basically the same calculation and just takes command-line inputs, for any of you who prefer that syntax. It can be found at http://www.mediafire.com/?2jouztevidi

Norwest · 04/19/07, 5:16 PM

Very good for any class that need to crit at regular intervals.

Example: Fury warriors and enhance shamans with flurry.

The reason being: 1 swing after a crit, your crits aren't as valuable since they only refresh 1 charge of flurry. After 3 swings, your total DPS from a crit is higher because you recharge 3 charges. It's perfect.

Hunters are another example, we want to crit every 5seconds to keep up kill command. This trinket gives us more crit when it's more valuable, 4-5 seconds after the last crit. Enhance shammie's unleashed rage is another great example. All these crit proc abilities get more benefit from the trinket than the equivalent amount of flat crit.

hip · 04/19/07, 5:19 PM

Originally Posted by Teenee

Problem is a Scorch spamming mage probably has one of the highest innate crit rates in the game. With some crit gear (and selfbuffs), I sit @ 41% crit rate on scorch.

Ya, this is kind of what I figured, given Scorches relatively low coefficient. I guess there really cant be a class/spec that can get full use our of this trinket, because if there were it would be essentially required for that class/spec.

Norwest · 04/19/07, 5:21 PM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

Spreadsheet is a bit off because the trinket has a max of 20 stacks - hence the "# of consecutive misses" should cap out after 20 noncrits in a row

Fixed, Thank you.

Beliandra · 04/19/07, 8:09 PM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

Spreadsheet is a bit off because the trinket has a max of 20 stacks - hence the "# of consecutive misses" should cap out after 20 noncrits in a row, which will drop the value of the trinket ever so slightly.

Yep I wrote a simulator to just perform 100,000,000 swings with every crit %, applying the Wrath mechanics, and count the number of crits. From 11% upwards, my numbers are virtually identical to yours. Below that your numbers are higher, presumably due to this 20 stack max.

Edit: hmm, just noticed, you fixed it in your sheet. Not sure what's causing it then. Here's the differences between my numbers and yours..

Base  Mine     Yours
00%   6.584%   6.86%
01%   6.227%   6.44%
02%   5.889%   6.06%
03%   5.575%   5.70%
04%   5.280%   5.37%
05%   4.998%   5.07%
06%   4.739%   4.79%
07%   4.491%   4.53%
08%   4.265%   4.29%
09%   4.045%   4.07%
10%   3.844%   3.86%
11%   3.660%   3.67%
12%   3.475%   3.49%
13%   3.313%   3.32%
14%   3.157%   3.16%
15%   3.006%   3.01%
16%   2.871%   2.87%
17%   2.739%   2.74%
18%   2.618%   2.61%
19%   2.495%   2.50%
20%   2.384%   2.39%

..and then they carry on being almost identical all the way to 100%.

• Aldriana · 04/19/07, 9:25 PM

It's because there aren't enough rows in the sheet. It only goes down to 35 noncrits in a row, and with a 1% base chance of crit there's a nontrivial chance of that. If you extend it to 100 noncrits in a row, it gives numbers that match much more closely.

My Python program is still giving incorrect answers, though - I'll work on diagnosing that later this evening.

Lanky · 04/19/07, 9:38 PM

To me this screams Marksman hunter in it's current incarnation, gear specifically to max out attack power and mana/5 from aspect of the viper. So Desolation gear would be the equivilant here. Hunter crit rates hover around 20% right now as a marksman, but that isusually because the hunter put effort into keep it that high at the expense of AP.

This trinket throws a wrench in that pretty hard. But I am still not convinced that it is better than bloodlust brooch + Mark of the Conqueror

Pane · 04/20/07, 1:22 AM

Originally Posted by Norwest

Very good for any class that need to crit at regular intervals.

Example: Fury warriors and enhance shamans with flurry.

The reason being: 1 swing after a crit, your crits aren't as valuable since they only refresh 1 charge of flurry. After 3 swings, your total DPS from a crit is higher because you recharge 3 charges. It's perfect.

In theory, yes. In practice however, these classes already have a high crit-%, cutting the value down. Don't forget you have to get rid of another trinket to equip this; the first 2 hits after a crit, wrath is only catching up to the crit bonus of hourglass of the unraveler, for example.

Northerner · 04/20/07, 2:18 AM

Would it not potentially be useful for an affliction warlock build that includes Improved Shadowbolt? Given the strictures that it benefits lower crit rates more and yet is obviously more beneficial if there is a crit effect beyond damage, that's the one that stands out in my mind. I'm not sure still that it would be preferable to other trinket options but it certainly has some possible advantages for increasing the debuff uptime.

Demi9OD · 04/20/07, 2:44 AM

Originally Posted by Northerner

Would it not potentially be useful for an affliction warlock build that includes Improved Shadowbolt? Given the strictures that it benefits lower crit rates more and yet is obviously more beneficial if there is a crit effect beyond damage, that's the one that stands out in my mind. I'm not sure still that it would be preferable to other trinket options but it certainly has some possible advantages for increasing the debuff uptime.

Potentially, but only if dots count as direct damage. If not it's fairly useless. Affliction locks don't spend a whole lot of time casting shadowbolt, so it could take some serious time to ramp the trinket up and spend its charge if only immolate and shadowbolt will build additional charges.

Delc · 04/20/07, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Demi9OD

Potentially, but only if dots count as direct damage. If not it's fairly useless. Affliction locks don't spend a whole lot of time casting shadowbolt, so it could take some serious time to ramp the trinket up and spend its charge if only immolate and shadowbolt will build additional charges.

Actually I still spend ~60% of my time casting shadowbolts. Best case you can get 3 dots (corruption, UA, and siphon life) up in 4.5 seconds, which leaves 13.5 seconds of shadowbolt spam. Affliction locks also have the lowest crit of any class so in theory should get the biggest crit boost from the trinket.

Also dots aren't direct damage by definition.

Maax · 04/20/07, 2:00 PM

I think a cat druid could make good use of it. 1.0 attack speed + specials means it would build up very quickly.