So how do you use google docs? Will I be able to modify the sheet if I sign up (I dont want to be signing up to places Im not going to be using later)

Might be a stupid question, but do Druids really have a 8.6% miss rate like other 2h using classes? I am actually below this cap by a bit and I never noticed or recorded a miss. Granted, I don't get to DPS alot on level 73s and yesterday was the first time I ever DPSed throughout Kara and could record some stats.

I have 88 Hit rating which is around 5.56% Hit and 9.67 Feral skill which is according to latest information worth 2.467% hit (2% hit for the first 5 skill, 0.1% hit for every following Skill). Granted, it's only a 0.8% miss chance but shouldn't I have noticed missing or if not me, my CombatStats atleast? I am thinking the example size might be too small so would be great if you could share some of your experiences regarding hits and misses.

File -> Export -> .xls shouldn't need you to sign up.

I still showed misses with just below 8.6% and I still get the random freak miss recorded now :-/

Everything I've looked at has 8.6% for both skills AND white attacks (which IS odd, but I digress) so I've modeled it to reflect that.

I needed to be logged in, so I assume you need to too.
Interesting spreadsheet by the way, will be deciphering it now.

They work just fine. I use them all the time. Best feral temporary weapon enchant for staves.

I'd like to propose either the outright removal of strength, or at least the reduction of it, on feral druid tier armor. This is something that has come up from time to time in various druid threads, but I was wanted to see it discussed a bit more directly, so here goes.

For cats, this would mean -1AP and +.04% crit. For most druids, I'm going to call this an even swap, although the exact merits depend on what your starting AP and crit are. Cat threads have talked about the break even points, where once you have enough AP, agility becomes your best stat. Another bonus is increased combo points and more finishing moves. Some may loose out, but this would be mostly the undergeared druids in greens/blues, who don't have the tier armor anyway. By the time you are getting tier 4/5/6, I would think that the agility would be superior to strength for nearly all cat druids.

There should be no problem with ever reaching the crit cap (certainly not by T6 at least):
Feral Druid DPS
Whether or not Blizzard would be comfortable with T6 druids having 50-60% crit, I don't know. It wouldn't break anything per se, it may *feel* broken. Other classes may complain because having 60% crit would make you appear to be stronger, even if you actually aren't. A side effect is increased dodge in catform, which may not be your main goal, but it would certainly help counter the idea that melee dps is more healing intensive and therefore less desirable than ranged dps. A few more cleaves dodged would make your healers happy.

For bearform druids I think the increase is much more obvious. While there's a chance your threat may go down, I feel it would be fairly equal to before. Increased crit rage and the +5 rage bonus would mitigate losses due to increased dodge, and rage is rarely ever a problem anyways. The biggest potential loss with this change would likely be the worst case threat scenario. Average/Best cases, meaning you are being hit at regular intervals and not getting long series of dodges followed by long series of hits, would be very similiar to how they are now.

I happen to fall into the Armor/Stamina tanking camp, but this change wouldn't affecting armor or stamina, only strength. If you can find druids who insist on having high strength for tanking, well, I guess they'd be against this idea. The only concern I can really see here is that it could possibly be *too* good. Mostly for tanking, the increased dodge may get out of hand. I'm certainly not delusional enough to think that by merely posting about it, Blizzard can't wait to redesign the tier sets to my liking, but I am curious what other players have to say about this. Since they seem determined to give both cats and bears the same set, I figured it should focus on stats that they both want. Seems obvious enough, right? The stat the benefits both forms the most (and fairly equally) is agility. Bears don't need strength. Both need stamina, but in different amounts. Both get happier and happier the more agility they have.

Anyone who's more familiar with the itemization formula know how much agility we could get if we removed (A) 50% of the strength, and (B) 100% of the strength on the sets? Help in modelling the effects would be appreciated.

There is not enough talk of eating babies in this.

If you scroll all the way down (without scrolling to the right), there should be a link in the lower right that says "edit this page"--I've opened the document up to editing completely so anyone with a gmail account can modify it if they notice something horribly wrong. Clicking on that link will allow you to export the file after logging into google docs with gmail account (or google docs account).

I noted this post got an infraction, and I'm probably setting myself up for the same, but before the "ditch STR for more AGI" post got merged into this thread, it was its own thread. That thread included "A Modest Proposal" in its title, and Skellum, like many others, is probably tired of the use of "A Modest Proposal" in earnest. Jonathan Swift's book was a political satire involving the notion of solving hunger problems by eating babies.

I imagine Skellum's response would have been perfectly appropriate had the original thread been shit-heaped, but instead the merge left him looking inappropriate.

To perhaps add some relevance to this thread: I think it's best when a class can benefit from multiple stats. The strength-agility equivalence in Cat DPS allows for an item with 25 strength and 25 agility, for a total of 50 "DPS Stats" rather than just flat 40 agility with no strength, for only 40 "DPS Stats".

On the agility/strength issue on the tier sets I'd personally favour a very simple option - just swap the values for the two round. Definitely still want some of both for both roles, the itemisation formula making it inefficient to dump everything into one stat obviously, but agility's generally the more hybrid of the two stats so would seem reasonable to have as the higher of the two.