Given that info (% of total damage provided by Rip), I'd wonder what the actual AP value of armor penetration would be for a druid. It could still be that since 80% of our damage gets the passive bonus that the extra equivalent AP it provides makes it a worthwhile trinket.

I suck at maths and I suck at theory crafting, but would this put the Dragonspine Trophy (assuming approx 2 ppm (taken from a couple of WWS's)):

40+(325*1.41*20/60) = 192,75

Putting it well above the other trinkets?

Edit: And how would you rank haste rating after the nerf in 2.2?

I'd assume haste rating value would decrease by the same amount as the rating nerf (ie around 66 % of what it used to be). It still would have dragonspine as the best trinket but not by nearly as much. Currently even though haste is pretty weak for druids, Dragonspine is so overpowered that its still the best dps trinket for us.

Hello guys,

Currently I'm using 4X T6 (head, shoulders, legs and gloves) and 1X T4 (chest) for tanking. All of them are max stamina gemmed/enchanted (15sta gems) and 15 agi on the gloves.

For my cat I'm using 2X T6 (legs and glvoves), 1X T5 (shoulders, dps gems/enchants), 2X T4 (chest, hat dps gems/enchnats).

Should I use the T6 head and shoulders also for dps, although they are stamina enchanted (to get the 4 pieces bonus)?

By just swapping them I'm loosing around 50 ap, 1 crit and the 2X Malorne bonus, some hit and some extra crit dmg. Is the T6 bonus justifying it?

Thanks.

If you could enlighten me on how to re-produce this effect, I'd be very, very grateful. I mentioned it briefly in a guild conversation and it had the rogues and the other feral druid in a proper fuzz, so if I can reproduce it consistently, we should be able to squeeze out even more DPS.

It is hard to repro without decent gear, it might also have something to do with ping.

Natur Enemy Cast Bar works best for this as it has a by the 10th of a second countdown on your debuffs.

How it works to the best of my knowledge is that you will need to have 2 different nonoverlapping Mangle Debuffs affect one Rip before a single tick of the Rip. So you need 70+ energy with a Mangle Debuff under 1.0seconds, Rip then as the Mangle ticks off you Mangle instantly again. To keep the cycle going you need rather ridiculous luck for crits and Omen/2pT4 procs but you can usually do it once every 3 cycles pretty easily with energy saving.

So basically you make use of the fact that DoT's strength is determined when applied while still getting the bonus from the 2nd Mangle?

Edit: Just spent a good 15 minutes or so testing it on Halaa guards. I can't seem to pull it off. I Rip at 0.9sec-1.1sec left of the debuff and then I hit Mangle just as it goes off. I didn't get double Rip damage in any of my 20+ attempts, but I did notice that a number of times the Rip wouldn't even get the damage buff from the second Mangle which seems to have some sort of connection to this bug. Am I missing something or timing it wrong?
Using Chronometer to track my debuff instead of Quartz helped. I can now semi-consistently reproduce it. Awesome.


Also,

Are you sure? My calculations came up with slightly more DPS gained from using T6 head+gloves (which is where I have my t4 parts atm.) - are you taking into account the 5 energy deducted from Mangle?

OOC procs, trinkets proc, 2 piece malorne procs.
So we do get procs in forms.

Yes, DST is extremely powerful for rogues/DW warriors/enh shaman, less so for druids, but still very good for us.

Theres a difference between "best trinket for druids" and "the trinket is best for druids". The first means that, in the case of druids, it is the best trinket. The second means that the trinket would be the best for druids over all other classes. The first meaning is the case in this instance, as, although it is good for druids, other classes benefit more from it. This means if you're a selfish git who prefers to have good damage over your raid (or you just take it because you're top on DKP and the next person is unreliable and wouldn't make full use out of it, whatever) then take it, but it will benefit the raid more by going to a rogue/shaman/DPS warrior.

White damage is around 40% of damage at high end, and dragonspine would boost that further. OoC and 2t4 procs are unreliable and, although nice, not worth arguing compared to windfury/combat potency for other classes.

Maybe a bit off topic, but I'd like the opinion of people here since I don't value the Bliz forums much .

A prelude to the real question: I have been feral tank since TBC, (main) tanked into SSC (at Vasjh now). My gut feeling says that warriors are really progressing good now, gear-wise, stat-wise, and that I am not really needed anymore as MT. So I re-gemmed and enchanted all my gear towards melee dps, to see if that is the best raid place for a druid. I cannot keep up with rogues (which is normal I guess), but if I try hard I can be in top 5 for DPS. I might be able to sqeesh 900 DPS, but I feel that I am nearing the end of my DPS increase, as I feel that other DPS classes will keep on growing, far past me. I read alot that past SSC, feral druids don't scale, not as tank and not as melee DPS. If that is true, I can spent alot of time and effort to increase my raid value, but in the end it might be wasted effort if our class cannot compete as tank or melee DPS after SSC. Balance is not really my thing, so I am thinking about changing radically towards full Resto. But resto is also said to be less then perfect for raids; Pallies are much better MT healers, and Shamans and Priests could chainheal perfectly, replacing the Resto Druids main strength - HoT's.

The question is; at the raid progress my guild is now (end of SSC), is a Druid's best raid spot resto or feral? Is melee DPS of any value in serious raiding after SSC? Or is a Resto Druid of any value in 25 man raids after SSC? Offtanking is always possible, and many say Feral Druids are best offtanks, but I don't think I can be happy in an offtank role... To stay on topic; is melee DPS or MT for feral druids valid after SSC?
Thanks for any thought on my dilemma!

Tublade

Yes... but reading all this topic, havent found answer. is dragonspine trophy > bloodlust brooch in long dps terms? if yes.. then how much?
asuming ooc, t4*2 procs and using haste effects from drums (3 lw in grp.. rotation make it never stop)

I m hit caped for now, and that +hit rating on DT really useful now