Im assuming you mean T5 pants since thats what you said in the paragraph above this. If so, then yes what you posted are the optimal DPS pieces from what you have. 2T4 is only replaceable (arguably, see the posts above) by 4T6 and not before that.

On a note, this stuff really should be consolidated somewhere. Answering the same questions over and over (i.e., how long should I keep 2T4) is a bit silly.

We need
Feral Druid: The Collected Works of Theorycraft, Vol I

Thanks for the answer anyway. I did feel that this thread was for questions like this though; so far this forum has been for me the best place to get information from. I also think these forums are normally very friendly, but the 2 times I decided to post here I got some remakrk like your sidenote; the first time because I put my name under the post (which apparently is not-done), and now about not asking the question here. I have read the whole thread numerous times, but I was just curious what 2T4 pieces to pick (yes, confirmation of my own thoughts from people who are better geared then me). If someone has a problem answering a well meant question, there's no need to answer. As to where I should ask these kind of question; I really don't know. Blizz forums are kind of unfriendly. On my server no one will know the answer (not that many ferals with my gear level there).

Yes, typo, I apologize

I wasnt simply criticizing you with that comment, but it does clutter this thread up. And I realize its unreasonable to have to read 40 pages of a thread before needing to ask a simple question especially if you're new here. Point was a consolidated thread or sticky or whatever where the information can be readily found will save time and effort.

I was considering the exact same thing. Plus we will probably not even lose any white attacks while powershift. I am really excited about that change!!! No more "untouchable" frost mages in arenas either.

You don't need insanely good gear for 4k shreds, assuming 18% Armorabsorb it would be:

4000 / 1.3 / 1.1 / 2.26 / 0.82 = 1509.39

1509.39 - 405 - 88 (Idol) = 1016.39

1016.39 / 2.25 = 451.73 (Autohit)

(451.73 - 55) * 14 = 5554.22 AP

Not a huge value if you count in UR, Kings, Might, BS and a Survival Hunter. If you have an Arms Warrior it's even easier to achieve.

However, i really doubt you can shred for 4.8k on any regular mob.

Not sure where you have seen 4.8k shred, but this WWS looks very normal to me:

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Shred max crit of 4311 on last weeks Teron. Max shred on RoS p1 (try 1) of 5154 (which is technically a "normal" mob, just has a lot less armour than normal).

It's pretty easy to get more than that on some fights, see RoS (all phases - first phase has close to 0 armour, second phase deaden = 2x damage, third phase is slowly increasing damage) and Shade of Akama (slowly increasing damage). Also, yes 5.5k AP is pretty easy to achieve in a proper melee DPS group with trinkets (and/or pots) (see here, although it was set up to try and get stupid AP with the ashtongue trinket+idol). It's actually possible to get over 6k in Hyjal with the Rallying Cry and Insane Strength pots if you set up your gear that way. Kinda weird really.

I've seen many WWS that foofer has posted, and he has had a lot of shreds from 4k to 4.7k.

Here's Ryetoast's 4.4k Ryetoast - WWS

Also even though a consistent 5.5k AP is high thats not necessarilly what you need to hit those values. Even though we have a 1 sec attack speed, there is some variability to our paw hits just like any other weapon. So high AP+trinkets plus a high "roll" on your base damage can give incredibly large values, especially if there are other circumstances going on as well.

Reliquary phase 1 has zero armor, I don't know that i'd call it normal. Note: this is lifted from the boss armor reduction thread on this forum.

I merely meant "normal" in that it's a mob with no damage enhancers, the damage you see on it is actually the damage you're doing (unlike akama/other phases of RoS which have damage boosters). It's still pretty inconsistent with other mobs though.

The formula (if there is going to be one, as opposed to a case-by-case approach) isn't know yet, but it was just announced that "for items that grant attack power in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms, in general we are planning to increase the amount of attack power they give." Source

It is kinda hard to judge max shred crits, while 4ks are pretty much endgame goal, we will often not see anything near this as it requires roughly 4500 - 5k AP to get, which usually means a fury warrior/enh shaman group, which if you have the same experiences as me, you only bring 1 and it always get wasted on rogues. Ideally we could probably get about 4.4 or 4.5 with a fully stacked group, bm hunter, bm hunter, enh sham with agi, fury war with trinket. Unfortunately I rarely see over 3600 with my marks/bm hunter, resto shaman, spriest or warlock group that I usually get.

RoS is terrible for parses and max damage as each phase has a different damage gain that happens and the parses never catch everything. For example I had an 8.5k Shred on RoS this week.

Shade of Akama is another one that I wouldn't trust so much.

Teron is one of the better mobs to test max hits. Najentus, Anetheron, Rage Winterchill, and Kaz'rogal also work alright if you are DPSing on them.

Feral Attack Power Change?

Just in case anyone can't view it, the relevant 'blue' bits are below:

Sounds good, but we'll have to wait and see what happens, as always.

Any idea how much additional dps would windfury totem give us? Considering fight like Teron where most decently geared feral druids have +- 1200-1450 dps.

dukes - WWS

Total number of white hits: 185 (35 normal, 50 glancing, 100 crit).

185*0.2 = 37.

with a 50% crit rate, this is 19 hits and 18 crits. Taking average values for these:

((425+((578.5*1.1)/14))*19) + ((832+((578.5*1.1)/14 * 2.26))*18) = ~9k + 17k = ~26k damage.

Present from 20:25'26 to 20:28'48 (100 %) = 202 seconds.

26k/202 = ~129 DPS total.

129 / 1544 = approximately 8% DPS increase.

It's a pretty shitty estimate, but at least it gives an estimate and it should be something close to right (this is assuming a shaman with improved weapon totems and UR).

The cynic in me says this reeks of a crappy bandaid, but we shall see (it is good to see they haven't forgotten us, though). Hopefully there's something more substantial in the works.

More importantly it means they are looking at our itemization, primarily our weapons, and they may see that, "Hey Bob, you know we forgot that Illidan weapon for Druids."

Yes, thats a great way to help feral itemization, shove another weapon at the very last boss of T6, screw fixing the pre-existing one :> and as to "primarily our weapons", its not like theres much itemization aside from that or T6 :P

On the subject of endgame gear, i finished my script that went through all possible combinations to pick the one with the most dps, this is what came out:

Cursed Vision of Sargeras + 34ap/16hit
Telonicus's Pendant of Mayhem
Mantle of Malorne + scryer enchant (it's possible to use the sapphiron enchant)
Razor-Scale Battlecloak + 12agi
Breastplate of Malorne + 6stats
Insidious Bands + 12str
Thunderheart Gauntlets + 15agi
Don Alejandro's Money Belt
Thunderheart Leggings + 50ap/12crit
Shadowmaster's Boots + 12agi
Merciless Gladiator's Maul + 35agi
Unstoppable Aggressor's Ring + 4stats
Ancestral Ring of Conquest + 4stats
Madness of the Betrayer
Dragonspine Trophy

Gems: Relentless Earthstorm Diamond x1, Shifting Tanzanite x1, Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst x1, Glinting Pyrestone x2, the rest is Delicate Crimson Spinels.

Miss: 0.00 %
AP: 4989
Crit: 50.96 %
Average Autohit: 569.57
Average Manglehit: 1667.81
Average Shredhit: 2779.35
Average Ripdamage: 3934.44
Attacks to 5cp: 3.5434
Energy per second: 13.2147
Average Cycle Length: 13.25 seconds
Average DPS: 1549.51


If you switch shoulder and chest to t6, it's:
Miss: 0.00 %
AP: 5081
Crit: 51.44 %
Average Autohit: 580.99
Average Manglehit: 1693.04
Average Shredhit: 2818.66
Average Ripdamage: 4560.92
Attacks to 5cp: 3.5339
Energy per second: 12.2343
Average Cycle Length: 14.28 seconds
Average DPS: 1543.27

A few things to mention:
I always used average values for the swing damage, i used a 1-roll-system for autoattack, factoring in glancing blows. I used a 2-roll-system for special attacks, counting the loss of energy due to misses/dodges into the average energy cost. I allowed all setboni that influence dps (2t4, 4t4, 4t5, 2t6, 4t6). OOC, powershifting and 2t4 are factored into the energy per second formula. I substracted 2 seconds worth of 2t4 for every powershift to simulate bad proc timing, i used 3 powershifts / minute as an average with 20 energy gain per shift.

Subject to the simulation is a lvl73 boss mob with 6200 armor, fully debuffed (5x sunder, ff and cor), expose weakness and blood frenzy not included. I used 5.85% dodge as an average estimate (i think it's what the rogues work with).

Buffs are improved battleshout (with trinket), improved str totem, unleashed rage, improved mark of the wild, blessing of might, blessing of kings, agi potion and agi food.

Enchants and Gems are chosen according to the current miss situation (as long as you have sufficient miss to make a hit gem efficient enough, it's used, otherwise not). Socket boni are currently NOT included.

All in all i think it's about as accurate as a dps simulation can be (barring errors there might be). Human error, lag, encounter specific elements and statistical anomalies are not included.

I also think that the exalted version of the Hyjal Ring will be better than the ARoC but as i have no information about the procrate and possible hidden cd i did not include it.

Edit: Corrected some typos, sorry.