Feral Druid DPS - Page 52

Valerian · 09/18/07, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Farstrider

Can we knock this sort of post on the head now? The armory has a perfectly good "find an upgrade" feature, I'm sure it's just as helpful as this site.

To be fair I still cant determine what logic exactly the armory "find an update" uses to sort the items it gives you. Its definitely not correct when it comes to druid dps gear though.

Shag · 09/18/07, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Farstrider

Can we knock this sort of post on the head now? The armory has a perfectly good "find an upgrade" feature, I'm sure it's just as helpful as this site.

I would think this is a pretty good spot to talk about upgrades. The OP might have provided more information, however, than this or that. What the armory can't provide is a view into the balance of stats.

david0925 · 09/18/07, 11:52 AM

Frankly speaking, in absolute end-game gear, I don't really see the necessity of using shapeshifter's signet.

The way I look at shapeshifter, is that it provides 2% to hit, or 30 hit rating. Right now I'm thinking about using 4 piece T6 with Cursed Vision of Sargeras, and without even trying to stack hit i'm over the hit cap with that setup. The tradeoffs, obviously is that for some sockets you can't stack as much agility gems, but I am really not a big fan of stacking an important stat (hit in this case) in a particular spot since it really limits your options of getting upgrades.

Edit: In terms of gemming, you still need 2 Blue gems and 2 Yellow gems to activate the bonus for Relentless Earthstorm, so the tradeoffs on socket gem choices really isn't as significant as it might seem.

It might be just a personal preference, but I feel spreading out all stats somewhat evenly on individual pieces of gear provide a bigger option to gear upgrades. By using Shapeshifter, you're effectively limiting yourself at that ring until you can get an upgrade plus a ring that gives 2% additional hit rating

Immortal · 09/18/07, 12:46 PM

Shapeshifter alone is 3% less misses and also some reduction in parry and dodge %, but for myself I don't see any reason to use it in tanking gear, except for encounters like Leotheras or Void Reaver (havn't seen Bloodboil yet, so don't know), and they don't hit hard.

The Grog · 09/19/07, 3:58 AM

They let you have a Cursed Vision?!

If I even mentioned that the guild would never stop laughing, and the rogues would never stop emo-ing.

Vaccine · 09/19/07, 4:56 AM

Originally Posted by The Grog

They let you have a Cursed Vision?!

If I even mentioned that the guild would never stop laughing, and the rogues would never stop emo-ing.

Tell them to be happy with their Legendary weapons :/

I'm still hoping they implement Cursed Vision as a graphic on cats, would be relatively easy to do and would be a nice step towards implementing certain armour ugprades on cat/bear models to differentiate them.

I know it won't happen, but I can hope.

Valerian · 09/19/07, 8:28 AM

Originally Posted by The Grog

They let you have a Cursed Vision?!

If I even mentioned that the guild would never stop laughing, and the rogues would never stop emo-ing.

Slayer's Helm:
45 Agi
55 Sta
15 Hit
28 Crit
92 AP
4 Hit socket bonus

Cursed Vision
39 Agi
46 Sta
21 Hit
38 Crit
108 AP
6 Sta socket bonus

Cursed Vision is:
-6 Agi, -3 sta, +10 crit, +2 hit and +16 AP with no set bonuses (assuming socketed for the bonuses). Now I dont know if the helm is the only piece thats bad in their set so they can drop it with no set bonus affect in which case, ok the cursed vision is slightly better. Otherwise the 4 set Slayer bonus is going to be a much bigger upgrade over the minor stat boosts the Cursed Vision will give.

david0925 · 09/19/07, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by The Grog

They let you have a Cursed Vision?!

If I even mentioned that the guild would never stop laughing, and the rogues would never stop emo-ing.

when every Rogue in the guild have it, that's really not an issue anymore.

Daenerys · 09/19/07, 2:57 PM

Has anyone done the math on whether it's worth switching in the [Idol of the White Stag] every time you Mangle and then going back to your [Everbloom Idol] for the rest of your rotation? Does the forced GCD of switcing idols make it not worth it?

And if it is worth is, anyone have a good macro or addon to make this easier?

And does anyone every wonder why it's called "Everbloom"? That just seems wrong.

david0925 · 09/19/07, 5:53 PM

Originally Posted by Daenerys

Has anyone done the math on whether it's worth switching in the [Idol of the White Stag] every time you Mangle and then going back to your [Everbloom Idol] for the rest of your rotation? Does the forced GCD of switcing idols make it not worth it?

And if it is worth is, anyone have a good macro or addon to make this easier?

And does anyone every wonder why it's called "Everbloom"? That just seems wrong.

1.There's math on the 10ish page about the idol. Long story short: no, its not worth it.

2.Everbloom idol doesn't make sense, but whatever

Clausm · 09/20/07, 8:30 AM

Sry for question, if already answered, but what is better, [Chestguard of the Conniver] or [Shadowprowler's Chestguard] for Cat DPS?
I'm already hitcapped.
Thanks alot.

Daenerys · 09/20/07, 8:48 AM

Originally Posted by Clausm

Sry for question, if already answered, but what is better, [Chestguard of the Conniver] or [Shadowprowler's Chestguard] for Cat DPS?
I'm already hitcapped.
Thanks alot.

Shadowprowler's by a mile.

frdrk · 09/20/07, 9:30 AM

Originally Posted by Daenerys

Shadowprowler's by a mile.

More attack power, more crit, more gain from BoK, irrelevant hit difference. Is there even any competition?

• sadris · 09/20/07, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by dukes

Sorry to bring you crashing back into the game we play in, but:
Feral druids are the equivalent of 1/27th of the raiding population, if you go by pure spec outlook. In a true outlook, it's probably closer to 1/20th's or so in most guilds. If you look at current itemisation, they design trinkets for 3-4 _classes_ at a time (or 9-12/27th's of specs) in general. There's no way in hell they'd design a trinket for ferals in a pure sense, other than taking them into consideration on the class trinket.

And yet loot tables are polluted with piece after piece of DPS plate even though feral druids are more "useful" to a raid than fury warriors. Hell, there are even multiple options for every slot in every raid tier in the category of DPS plate; yet for some reason I still use blues.

Daenerys · 09/20/07, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by sadris

And yet loot tables are polluted with piece after piece of DPS plate even though feral druids are more "useful" to a raid than fury warriors. Hell, there are even multiple options for every slot in every raid tier in the category of DPS plate; yet for some reason I still use blues.

Probably a dangerous topic to explore here, but I just wanted to say that while I agree there is too much DPS plate in the loot tables, I don't think that means they should "pollute" the tables with more feral stuff. In my raid, we have 1 feral Druid, so once I get something, it's rotting past that (gg 2x Idol of the White Stag on 2 Supremus kills so far - yeah, its not a great item, but I was happy to have it for farming at least =P).

In general, loot that is tailored to only one spec of one class is bad, but there is TONS of it in raid instances (though sadly, not a dearth for our chosen spec/class). So far in T6, my guild has seen maybe 20% of our drops go to waste (3 weeks; 3/9 and 4/5 so far) because they were too specific to certain specs of certain classes. It's really a shame, and I know there are a bunch more drops on bosses that will also go to waste.

Rather than add Feral drops, I would much prefer Blizzard make an effort to reduce the number of class/spec drops and shift to loot with more options. The T5 Druid trinket, while not an excellent piece, is at least a good effort to address the issue. They could do this with a lot more pieces in raid instances.