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 Hamlet 04/26/07 1:58 AM

Playing with Fire

Most people took precisely 800/tick, as expected. I took 848/tick, also with no deviation. 848 is not 3% greater than 800, it's 6% greater. What's going on here?

You can also look at Nycteus, who's also 3/3 PWF--same result.

While we're talking about this, what other things could be causing some of these people to deviate from 800/tick?

 Fogbug 04/26/07 2:00 AM

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 Originally Posted by Arawethion (Post 338363) Most people took precisely 800/tick, as expected. I took 848/tick, also with no deviation. 848 is not 3% greater than 800, it's 6% greater. What's going on here?
you got burned

 epiphenom 04/26/07 2:09 AM

Playing with Fire increases the damage done by your spells by 3% (+24/tick) and increases damage taken from spells by 3% (+24/tick).

As a side note, with 3/3 Arcane Instability (+3% spell damage) and no Playing with Fire, I always take 824 damage/tick from Shadow Grasp, no deviation.

 Hamlet 04/26/07 2:13 AM

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 Originally Posted by epiphenom (Post 338372) Shadow Grasp is, to my memory, "You suffer X damage from your Shadow Grasp." Playing with Fire increases the damage done by your spells by 3% (+24/tick) and increases damage taken from spells by 3% (+24/tick). As a side note, with 3/3 Arcane Instability (+3% spell damage) and no Playing with Fire, I always take 824 damage/tick from Shadow Grasp, no deviation.
Hah, ok, that will do it.

Still odd though. For one, I'm not sure how some people got ticks for other values. What caused Zoea to take 11-15% extra? Darkness? Shadow Weaving? Also, Alayne tells me that AP definitely didn't affect it.

 Snowy 04/26/07 2:49 AM

Been trying to figure out the same thing for Scalding Water at Lurker. 3/3 PWF explains that perfectly.

I'm really unsure about the others though. What is weird is that it's not always the same damage -- Zoea illustrates that perfectly. Darkness increases shadow damage done by 10%. Shadowform increases shadow damage done by 15%. Shadow Weaving shouldn't matter, since it's not on her. But you see her max tick is 920 which is 15% more than 800, but she averaged 888 per tick. Very bizarre.

Does Alayne have Arcane Instabilty though? That explains the 824 ticks, but why wasn't it always 824 ticks?

 epiphenom 04/26/07 3:58 AM

It's the lesser ticks which are really confusing. Zoea's 920 max tick can be easily explained - it's Shadowform. Darkness doesn't apply.

Digging into spell data, it looks like it's a difference between the effect "Apply Aura: Add % Modifier (Damage)" which seems to internally reference a list of things it's supposed to apply to, and "Apply Aura: Mod Damage % ()", which just applies to everything of the school given in the parameter. Darkness and AP call the former; Shadowform, Instability and Playing with Fire call the latter. Oddly enough, this suggests that while AP wouldn't do anything, Power Infusion would.

I'm not very familiar with the WWS tool. Could it be as simple as some people partially absorbing damage?

 Boevis 04/26/07 4:54 AM

My guess on Zoea's 888 average would be either a shield involved, or being outside of shadowform (though that would at closest be a 868 average)

That would also be my best guess on Alayne, combinations involving dampen magic don't really come close to a 779 average.

Also, you should yell at those 2 warlocks for releasing the control so quickly, with Siphon and Drain it's them that should be holding it the longest, not a rogue. :(

 Hamlet 04/26/07 12:17 PM

The low values are probably partial absorptions from Shadow Protection Potions.

As far as who held it the longest--I just tell people to break as soon as Mag yells. Why would you intentionally hold it longer?

Also, Sawyer and Brit were backups--they're the 11th and 12th.

 Hamlet 04/26/07 12:24 PM

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 Originally Posted by Snowy (Post 338393) Does Alayne have Arcane Instabilty though? That explains the 824 ticks, but why wasn't it always 824 ticks?
Yeah, Alayne has Instability. Don't know where her low ticks come from--she never used a Potion or even got a PW:S. She said she'd pre-buffed Dampen; could that be it?

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