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Old 04/28/07, 1:46 PM   #1
Jimb0v
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Sargeras
Priests and Tailoring

I am a dwarf priest 375 skinner 375 miner since day 1 in this game. My guild is clearing karazhan and gruul weekly but struggling on Magtheridon.

I have not tier epic gear from karazhan in every single slot except chest and shoulders. All of my gear has reasonable healing enchants and rare gems (mostly gotten from prospecting buddy). What I'm struggling with is whether I should 1) craft whitemend; and/or 2) drop skinning and pick up tailoring.

I've perused the mooncloth and whitemend sets and even played with a few people who had them crafted. I'm having a really difficult time telling whether its worth it. My +healing raid buffed is about 1500, my understnading is with mooncloth set and whitemend set I probably could hit 1800-2000 pretty easily, but that my stamina would suffer greatly. Basically the feeling I get is that whitemend/mooncloth set would be basically situational, on the fighst where I'm unlikely to take damage I would use it, but on fights where I was likely to take damage I would use what I hav eon now.

My question is, is it worthwhile for me to spend the timeand money to get mooncloth/whitemend, or am I better off just waiting until we progress in Serpentshrine/TK?

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Old 04/28/07, 2:39 PM   #2
ka
Piston Honda
 
Murloc Warlock
 
Dunemaul (EU)
Skinning as a holy priest? Seriously?

I really think tailoring/herbalism would benefit you more than skinning/mining.

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Old 04/28/07, 2:43 PM   #3
Lord BEEF
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Tauren Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
I'm a big fan of getting healing gear that has little to no stamina, throwing in all gems that are heal/spirit/int/mana regen, and then swapping in arena gear socketed with elunes on fights where you need more health.

Really the same strategy can be used for dps classes too

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Old 04/28/07, 3:31 PM   #4
Merple
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Merple
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I can imagine that those two professions, with no production profs could make you some serious money. If you do choose to make the sets, prepare to spend 600+ gold on all the cloth you'll need.

But, the sets are pretty nice. I'm not done yet, but they're excellent for your healing and in combat regen.

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Old 04/28/07, 3:46 PM   #5
Oren
Piston Honda
 
Orc Rogue
 
Illidan
The tailoring sets are extremely strong, I'm pushing over 200mp5.

Log out in your healing gear.

P.S. Your spec is really weird.

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Old 04/28/07, 4:09 PM   #6
Jimb0v
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Sargeras
Originally Posted by ka View Post
Skinning as a holy priest? Seriously?

I really think tailoring/herbalism would benefit you more than skinning/mining.
Yeah, if I had it to do all over again I probably would take tailoring/herbalism. I'm one of those people that wants to be hardcore but doesn't really have the time to be hardcore. I've been playing wow since day 1 and have never changed my professions. I picked my professions completely blindly.

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Old 04/28/07, 4:22 PM   #7
Jimb0v
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Priest
 
Sargeras
I will log out in my healing gear and bump once armory is updated. I think I'm going to have to drop skinning for tailoring. :\ Oh well.

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Old 04/28/07, 6:48 PM   #8
kaib
Don Flamenco
 
Undead Warlock
 
Dentarg (EU)
In general if you are serious about raiding/gearing your toon up, you need to have tailoring as a cloth user these days. Of course it's possible without, but your char will just perform worse compared with the same class with tailoring.
It's starting to become a bit less important with some SSC items being upgraded in 2.1, but I still don't see myself replacing shadoweave items/gridle of ruination/spellstrike set with any drops from any current raid instance.

After reaching 70 I dropped Engineering and leveled Mooncloth Tailoring and got myself those crafts and then respecced shadow, unlearned tailoring and levelt it all up again (tried to persuade GMs to switch it but no chance). And I'd do it again if the raid utility of the shadow tree would be nurfed tomorrow. It IS worth it. For most encounters tailoring offers you THE best gear. In some sta heavy fights you need to switch some of the mooncloth items, but most of the time it's just the best stuff avaible atm. Leveling it up is a shitload of work though. Especially Runecloth and the infinite amounts of Netherweave and Arcane Dust required for the last 20ish skillups are painful.

Mining is not a bad 2nd profession for a holy priest though. Herbalism should decrease in value with the elixir/flask nurf but adamantite ore to prospect will be as long as people get new items with sockets ...
The perfect second profession is Enchanting though as the ring enchants just offer you additional stats that others do not have access to.

In case you decide to level tailoring, a couple of Deadmines runs gives you more then enough Linen and Wool Cloth to get past those stages. Scarlet Monastrey Library is easy Silk Cloth. I farmed Mageweave either at the harpys in Feralas or at the ogres of Tanaris. Runecloth probably from plaguelands fields or stratholm runs, if you can find a dps class to assist you. Netherweave is just painful. Farming Blood Elves in Netherstorm is fine but gathering the required amounts takes a bit.
Try to borrow a friend's mage or lock at least for the DM/monastrey farming, makes life much easier. :P

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Old 04/28/07, 8:55 PM   #9
Rickertt
Glass Joe
 
Undead Priest
 
Khaz'goroth (EU)
I did the same thing as kaib and leveled up to 375 tailoring two times, just to get the best gear for my spec at that time. Its pricy but worth it. The gear you get is just too good to not have atm.

Rickert

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Old 04/29/07, 6:47 PM   #10
SindirHH
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Priest
 
Muradin
Originally Posted by kaib View Post
In general if you are serious about raiding/gearing your toon up, you need to have tailoring as a cloth user these days. Of course it's possible without, but your char will just perform worse compared with the same class with tailoring.
I very much disagree, the power of an alchemist's stone is out of control. Currently I chain chug unstables, when the time comes to chain chug fel's... I don't know how I will spend all that mana.

Tailoring is good, but it definatly has it's downfalls. (Stamina)

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Old 04/29/07, 7:36 PM   #11
kaib
Don Flamenco
 
Undead Warlock
 
Dentarg (EU)
if you chain chug pots and use buffs pre combat and after all that your healing output is capped by mana and not by HPS, your gear either sucks really hard or you're just doing something fundamentally wrong.
If you are potting a lot, you just should not have any mana problems. Thus either +healing heavy or sta heavy (depening on the encounter) is the way to go. Alch Stone is certainly nice, but it only really helps if you pot a lot. And if you do that, you should not experience mana issues anyway.

It fixes something that is arleady fixed even more, to put it like that.

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Old 04/30/07, 12:27 AM   #12
Penicilin
Glass Joe
 
Human Priest
 
Eonar (EU)
Thing is that for raiding healer there are 3 proffesions that can benefit you atm with something you cant have if you do not take certain proffesion.

Enchanting - ring enchants
Tailoring - crafted sets
Alchemy - Alchemist's Stone

IMHO From these I would pick tailoring because with current equipment available it benefits healing priest the most. The other one is up to your preferencies

Someone can even prefer engineering after patch 2.1

/wave Kai btw

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Old 05/18/07, 9:33 PM   #13
SindirHH
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Priest
 
Muradin
Originally Posted by kaib View Post
if you chain chug pots and use buffs pre combat and after all that your healing output is capped by mana and not by HPS, your gear either sucks really hard or you're just doing something fundamentally wrong.
If you are potting a lot, you just should not have any mana problems. Thus either +healing heavy or sta heavy (depening on the encounter) is the way to go. Alch Stone is certainly nice, but it only really helps if you pot a lot. And if you do that, you should not experience mana issues anyway.

It fixes something that is arleady fixed even more, to put it like that.
If you want to heal the most possible, then you would get more healing out of a alchem stone and chain chugging than you would out of the tailoring set. The 40% more mana per potion every 2 minutes is more than some +healing here and there.

Don't get me wrong, tailoring is great. But it is definatly not the be all and end all as it is with say shadow priests.

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Old 05/19/07, 2:19 AM   #14
Lightshadow
Piston Honda
 
Human Paladin
 
Stormrage
Given where your guild is, I wouldn't bother getting whitemend made. I have it, and even as a tailor I think T4 helm + ants from Netherspite are slightly better (gain sta and massive int, lose ~40 healing). If I couldn't get the set bonus though (requires tailoring), the Kara drops would just be strictly better.

Dropping a profession for tailoring is altogether another issue, but unless you really want to be a tailor for other reasons I'd no longer really reccomend it. The primal mooncloth set is quite nice, but the whole undertaking is likely to be quite expensive and over the long term I don't see any more bop items going in. The Belt of the Long Road is quite nice, for example, but the result is boe.

Finally I think some people honestly undervalue stamina (especially in SSC), and making up for not having any on three core pieces of gear can be quite a trick. Post-patch, I think I'm still going to find myself wearing the Neclace of Eternal Hope for trash and a few of the bosses instead of the Teeth of Gruul simply because I want the hp. (Items like the Jade Ring of the Everliving and Aran's Soothing Sapphire are other good examples).

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Old 05/19/07, 5:40 PM   #15
Kamileon
Von Kaiser
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Cenarion Circle
I recently dropped mining for tailoring because I couldn't stand not taking an avenue that would improve my character. Bitter as I am about the necessity of a certain profession of you're a clothie, I did it, and so far I am looking forward to getting into Primal Mooncloth and the buffs to it in 2.1. The loss of stamina is annoying, but as others have said there's ways around it.

As I see it -- especially as a healer -- there are other people and alts who can collect materials for me. I'd rather have the personally beneficial professions on my raiding main, andl eave the farming and collecting to alts that can actually made something dead without wanting to smite their own eye out.

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