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Old 04/28/07, 9:43 PM   #1
Rerolled
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Priest
 
Nathrezim
Thundering Skyfire Diamond

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32410

Has anyone done any tests on this to determine proc rate? Or if not, does anyone have the ability to make it on the test server so I could do so myself?

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Old 05/09/07, 5:19 AM   #2
Surfer74
 
 
I am curious as well... where do jewelcrafters get the pattern? I hope this gem is available right after 2.10 goes live

Old 05/09/07, 7:11 AM   #3
Mu
Piston Honda
 
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Orc Death Knight
 
Burning Blade
This one's a drop, I think. The other new melee one (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32409#00z) is exalted consortium rep.

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Old 05/09/07, 8:30 AM   #4
Lukaichi
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Azgalor
Alchimist can make them !! and I guess a Jewelcrafter can cut it !!

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Old 05/09/07, 9:15 AM   #5
Surfer74
 
 
too bad it is a drop, I hate to wait

Old 05/17/07, 4:34 PM   #6
Nalisol
Glass Joe
 
Orc Rogue
 
Maiev
Has anyone gotten a chance to test this yet?

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Old 05/23/07, 9:58 AM   #7
fnfal
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Rogue
 
Detheroc
I got one after the recipe dropped in SSC last night.

After a few heroics and random grinding, I'm showing about 1 ppm, 68 hits/proc with a little over an hour of combat time.

It's not amazing, but not horrible. I want to try it on an extended fight in the next few days if possible.

Going to try the +3% crit/12 agi gem for comparison soon as I find somebody exalted with consortium.

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Old 05/23/07, 1:28 PM   #8
• Aldriana
Mike Tyson
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Doomhammer
Originally Posted by fnfal View Post
I got one after the recipe dropped in SSC last night.

After a few heroics and random grinding, I'm showing about 1 ppm, 68 hits/proc with a little over an hour of combat time.

It's not amazing, but not horrible. I want to try it on an extended fight in the next few days if possible.

Going to try the +3% crit/12 agi gem for comparison soon as I find somebody exalted with consortium.
When you say "1 PPM", I guess you mean "it procs about once per minute when I'm going all out " and not "it's a 1 PPM enchant that thus goes off about 3 times per minute in practice"? Am I reading you correctly?

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Old 05/23/07, 2:30 PM   #9
Latito
Don Flamenco
 
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Human Rogue
 
Lightbringer
For a rogue, 68 hits per minute would be just auto attack with both weapons on. This is of course a rough guess, but if he had fast daggers (1.8 MH, 1.3 OH).. thats 60/1.3 + 60/1.8 = 79 swings per min. If he had slowish swords (2.7 MH, 1.5 OH).. thats 60/2.7 + 60/1.5 = 62 swings per minute. So yea, 68 is likely just auto attack. 68 hits/proc = ~1.47% chance to proc.

After SnD and spam damage, you'll probably get another 50% more swings. So, whats the uptime for a 6-second duration buff with a ~1.4-1.5% proc chance at 90-120 swings a minute? Twice a minute roughly? So.. 20% of the time you're attacking ~24% faster. 0.24 * 0.6 (assuming 60% white damange, ignore cpots and other procs :S) = 14% damange boost, 20% of the time... so overal maybe a 3% damage bonus. Not too bad.

Remember, the later half of this post is super rough numbers with lots of factors rounded out. 3% damage increase vs 3% dmg increase on just crits and some agi.. I think its a clear winner here, even for dagger rogues, especially for sword/fist/mace rogues. Damn this gem will scale nicely..

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Old 05/23/07, 3:38 PM   #10
• Wodin
Thoroughly Inebriated
 
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Troll Rogue
 
Mal'Ganis
Feeds the combat potency engine, too, which is most of what makes haste so good.

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Old 05/23/07, 6:33 PM   #11
Tiiki
Rogue About Town
 
Troll Rogue
 
<Moo>
The Venture Co (EU)
Originally Posted by Wodin View Post
Feeds the combat potency engine, too, which is most of what makes haste so good.
As a non-combat rogue (come on, it's SO BORING), I still feel like haste is very very good.

I'm 41/20 and with so many proc and equip based items, haste still begets haste+dmg in a lot of cases.

Dragonspine, Mongoose, Thundering Skyfire - all the procs cause more procs with the others.

Not to mention things like extra Romulo or WSC procs... (or coup de grace)

Which is another little thing I like about mutilate. Twice as many chances to proc anything from specials, since it's 60 energy for two swings instead of one. My mongoose uptime is, frankly (subjectively), crazy.

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Old 05/23/07, 6:40 PM   #12
Rokh
Piston Honda
 
Orc Hunter
 
Emerald Dream
Anyone know if it only drops in Tier 5 Raid Instances? Wowhead and Thottbot still seem clueless as to where the pattern is dropped; if it's just in places like SSC or if it's just a random world drop.

Oh, and has anyone tested it as a hunter? It says it works with ranged, but we all know how that goes.

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Old 05/23/07, 6:50 PM   #13
fnfal
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Rogue
 
Detheroc
Originally Posted by Aldriana View Post
When you say "1 PPM", I guess you mean "it procs about once per minute when I'm going all out " and not "it's a 1 PPM enchant that thus goes off about 3 times per minute in practice"? Am I reading you correctly?
1 PPM according to procwatch's counter.

In practice, what I haven't visually observed:

-Never seen back to back procs.
-Procs are always at least 30s apart.
-Has not proc'd off ranged (but I do so little pulling it's not to say it *doesn't* work).

I'm using a 1.8 MH/1.4 OH.

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Old 05/23/07, 9:26 PM   #14
ninjabrick
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Ysera
1 PPM is also what I've been getting. I have seen it proc at least twice off of a ranged attack while pulling a mob.

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Old 05/23/07, 10:08 PM   #15
Teger
Glass Joe
 
Murloc Hunter
 
Black Dragonflight
Confirming that it procs on ranged (I'm a hunter after all), and we found it off a Bog Lord in SSC.

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