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04/28/07, 10:43 PM
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Nathrezim
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Thundering Skyfire Diamond
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32410
Has anyone done any tests on this to determine proc rate? Or if not, does anyone have the ability to make it on the test server so I could do so myself?
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05/09/07, 6:19 AM
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I am curious as well... where do jewelcrafters get the pattern? I hope this gem is available right after 2.10 goes live
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05/09/07, 9:30 AM
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Glass Joe
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Alchimist can make them !! and I guess a Jewelcrafter can cut it !!
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05/09/07, 10:15 AM
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too bad it is a drop, I hate to wait 
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05/17/07, 5:34 PM
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Rogue
Gorgonnash
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Has anyone gotten a chance to test this yet?
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05/23/07, 10:58 AM
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Glass Joe
Orc Rogue
Black Dragonflight
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I got one after the recipe dropped in SSC last night.
After a few heroics and random grinding, I'm showing about 1 ppm, 68 hits/proc with a little over an hour of combat time.
It's not amazing, but not horrible. I want to try it on an extended fight in the next few days if possible.
Going to try the +3% crit/12 agi gem for comparison soon as I find somebody exalted with consortium.
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05/23/07, 2:28 PM
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Soda Popinski
Night Elf Rogue
Proudmoore
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Originally Posted by fnfal
I got one after the recipe dropped in SSC last night.
After a few heroics and random grinding, I'm showing about 1 ppm, 68 hits/proc with a little over an hour of combat time.
It's not amazing, but not horrible. I want to try it on an extended fight in the next few days if possible.
Going to try the +3% crit/12 agi gem for comparison soon as I find somebody exalted with consortium.
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When you say "1 PPM", I guess you mean "it procs about once per minute when I'm going all out " and not "it's a 1 PPM enchant that thus goes off about 3 times per minute in practice"? Am I reading you correctly?
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05/23/07, 3:30 PM
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WTB Terocone
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For a rogue, 68 hits per minute would be just auto attack with both weapons on. This is of course a rough guess, but if he had fast daggers (1.8 MH, 1.3 OH).. thats 60/1.3 + 60/1.8 = 79 swings per min. If he had slowish swords (2.7 MH, 1.5 OH).. thats 60/2.7 + 60/1.5 = 62 swings per minute. So yea, 68 is likely just auto attack. 68 hits/proc = ~1.47% chance to proc.
After SnD and spam damage, you'll probably get another 50% more swings. So, whats the uptime for a 6-second duration buff with a ~1.4-1.5% proc chance at 90-120 swings a minute? Twice a minute roughly? So.. 20% of the time you're attacking ~24% faster. 0.24 * 0.6 (assuming 60% white damange, ignore cpots and other procs :S) = 14% damange boost, 20% of the time... so overal maybe a 3% damage bonus. Not too bad.
Remember, the later half of this post is super rough numbers with lots of factors rounded out. 3% damage increase vs 3% dmg increase on just crits and some agi.. I think its a clear winner here, even for dagger rogues, especially for sword/fist/mace rogues. Damn this gem will scale nicely..
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05/23/07, 4:38 PM
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Inebriated
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Feeds the combat potency engine, too, which is most of what makes haste so good.
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05/23/07, 7:33 PM
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Rogue About Town
Troll Rogue
The Venture Co (EU)
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Originally Posted by Wodin
Feeds the combat potency engine, too, which is most of what makes haste so good.
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As a non-combat rogue (come on, it's SO BORING), I still feel like haste is very very good.
I'm 41/20 and with so many proc and equip based items, haste still begets haste+dmg in a lot of cases.
Dragonspine, Mongoose, Thundering Skyfire - all the procs cause more procs with the others.
Not to mention things like extra Romulo or WSC procs... (or coup de grace)
Which is another little thing I like about mutilate. Twice as many chances to proc anything from specials, since it's 60 energy for two swings instead of one. My mongoose uptime is, frankly (subjectively), crazy.
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05/23/07, 7:40 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Anyone know if it only drops in Tier 5 Raid Instances? Wowhead and Thottbot still seem clueless as to where the pattern is dropped; if it's just in places like SSC or if it's just a random world drop.
Oh, and has anyone tested it as a hunter? It says it works with ranged, but we all know how that goes.
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05/23/07, 7:50 PM
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Glass Joe
Orc Rogue
Black Dragonflight
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Originally Posted by Aldriana
When you say "1 PPM", I guess you mean "it procs about once per minute when I'm going all out " and not "it's a 1 PPM enchant that thus goes off about 3 times per minute in practice"? Am I reading you correctly?
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1 PPM according to procwatch's counter.
In practice, what I haven't visually observed:
-Never seen back to back procs.
-Procs are always at least 30s apart.
-Has not proc'd off ranged (but I do so little pulling it's not to say it *doesn't* work).
I'm using a 1.8 MH/1.4 OH.
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05/23/07, 10:26 PM
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Glass Joe
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1 PPM is also what I've been getting. I have seen it proc at least twice off of a ranged attack while pulling a mob.
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05/23/07, 11:08 PM
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Glass Joe
Murloc Hunter
Black Dragonflight
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Confirming that it procs on ranged (I'm a hunter after all), and we found it off a Bog Lord in SSC.
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05/23/07, 11:27 PM
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Soda Popinski
Night Elf Rogue
Proudmoore
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Assuming the proc rate is above once every 2 min or so, Swift Skyfire.
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05/23/07, 11:28 PM
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Von Kaiser
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right but, isn't Thundering Skyfire:
1PPM?
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05/23/07, 11:30 PM
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Soda Popinski
Night Elf Rogue
Proudmoore
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that's what it's looking like - but I don't think we have enough data to pin it down yet.
The rogue gear spreadsheet models it as 1 PPM, at which point it's about 5 times better than either of the other two.
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05/24/07, 4:54 AM
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Glass Joe
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My post on WoW forums regarding this:
As some of you know, there has been much speculation about the new haste gem. Someone on my server was lucky enough to get the pattern today, and I jumped on it. I then proceeded to arena for a few hours, to farm up some points, and ran ProcWatch on it, the buff named "Skyfire Swiftness". The buff itself increases haste rating by 240 for 6 seconds.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n...407_010824.jpg
Now, there are three things that must be noted about that procrate. First, it's a PvP environment, and therefore SnD does not have constant uptime, which has a definite effect. Second, ProcWatch double counts it due to the buff fading having a combat log event, resulting in an actual procrate of half what is shown. Third, the statistical sample is far too small to draw any real conclusions - this is just a preliminary test I felt like running.
Now, with the data representing a .8 ppm, once SnD is added, my best guess is about 1.0 ppm in a PvE environment.
Once again, this test has no real meaning, just more of a proof that it does, in fact, proc a reasonable amount.
I just got it today - haven't had a chance to run any real test yet.
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05/24/07, 8:43 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Dunno, @ 1PPM this seems to blow away the benefit from any of Meta.
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05/24/07, 8:46 PM
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Von Kaiser
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I've had it for a few days. Doesn't proc a lot, but w/e... as little as it comes its tons more valuable than 24 ap or 3% crit damage, no extensive testing necessary to realize that.
The choice of meta is clear, what is a little strange now is how worthless helmets without meta sockets have become as a result.
Peace@ Malefic Shadows and Cowl of Defiance
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05/25/07, 12:26 PM
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Von Kaiser
Troll Rogue
Blackrock (EU)
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Originally Posted by Xizenta
I've had it for a few days. Doesn't proc a lot, but w/e... as little as it comes its tons more valuable than 24 ap or 3% crit damage, no extensive testing necessary to realize that.
The choice of meta is clear, what is a little strange now is how worthless helmets without meta sockets have become as a result.
Peace@ Malefic Shadows and Cowl of Defiance
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Switching from swift skyfire to thundering skyfire means not only losing 24 ap, you'll most likely lose 6 agi on boots (cat's swiftness, yes i need the speedup!) and some dmg out of gems -> 4 blue gems are hard to put in your equip without losing dmg stats, imho
I'm still interested wether it has an internal cooldown o.o
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05/25/07, 12:36 PM
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Chief Passenger
Gnome Rogue
Earthen Ring (EU)
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Originally Posted by Siq
4 blue gems are hard to put in your equip without losing dmg stats, imho
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There are some new AP/Stam purple gems now which should help with that
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05/25/07, 12:42 PM
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Great Tiger
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Originally Posted by Siq
4 blue gems
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4, not 2? I already had 2 blues on my gear for socket bonuses, so it wasn't very difficult to deal with.
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