[Warrior] Tanking TPS sheet. - Page 13

Edgewalker · 03/06/08, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Turpin

I havent tested both tho from what i see alot of tanks like to get the Unbreakable will and combine this with the Gauntlets of Enforcement from Teron to still get their diet of +weapon skill.

Those tanks are, quite simply, bad.
Unless you have a +Swords Racial, Brutalizer is better for practically every aspect of tanking, with the exception of maybe progression on Shahraz post parry hotifixand a tank looking for max mitigation.

KalCorp · 03/06/08, 11:39 AM

Thanks

Cant wait to get Brutalizer. But at this time stuck with MOT and most people ask why i dont use it over TF. but then I dont see much of a Difference with that one.

But how are you getting "At 6ppm that's 2421.9 TPM 40.365 TPS" It comes up as 54 DPS and 82 TPS if i use the same Formula we are using for anyother weapon in the threatdown file.

i pluged it into the file at 20%rate. Mit damge is 300 avg damage is 60 and threat comes to 93. then in the 4 skill cycle ss,rev,dev,dev + full HS 6.6Cycle time. its uses are 6.474 + to all the uses of HH,revenge and devastatte. but not SS. so thats 6.474 uses. TPS is then 91.503 and TPS is 9.8% at 0 rps. i thoguht this was wrong because i dont see where the damage is chagne to 90% for def mode. so if i chagne to 270 damage its mit 270, avd damage is 54 and thrat is 84. then in same cycle its 82.352 tps and 8.34%

i will update the threatdown file and send it up for review maybe ther is something wrong but it the same numbers used for the other skills. so unless everything is wrong in there. it could be close to what it does right?

And ont he 20% owever anyone with the sword today and uses it know that somehow the proc is difference for each mob. Where some proc are 80-90+ and others are lower. Some are immune to it. so if i hit alot of them the numbers are going done. since thats 0%. Since we are talking about tanking Boss fights i like to get the numbers for them. I will try to get some counts when i do it.

I was looking at something with just dev

Devastate is calculated as the following…
(Weapon Damage / 2) + (35 * Number of Sunders) - Mitigation
For simplicity sake, we’ll assume Average Weapon Damage, 5 sunders, no mitigation and a 15% crit rate for this comparison so the formula becomes…
(Average Weapon Damage*1.15 / 2) + (175)

For me Mallet of the Tides is listed as 145 DPS and ThunderFurry is 102.6 DPS as stated in game char info. ( speed, damage and AP all into this number)

Mallet of the Tides ((145*1.15) / 2) +175 = 258.375
ThunderFurry ((102.6*1.15) / 2) +175 = 233.995 + (proc of 270 * .20) = 287.995

And this fits into the nubmer and what i been seeing.

KalCorp · 03/06/08, 12:45 PM

I just download 4.1 so i can update. I have office 2007. but the files is missing information

i get #NA in each cycle and for Thnder clap. i might be able to fix. if i know what it was.

What is the 4 cycle?

I have
Heroic strike
#N/A
Shield slam
Revenge
Devastate

also Does any one know if the + 13-30 nature damage is added in the 53.9 DPS it has listed? or is that extra daamge after that. becasue i never added 13-30 extra damgae every hit to any formulas

bagelbite · 03/06/08, 4:59 PM

Originally Posted by KalCorp

also Does any one know if the + 13-30 nature damage is added in the 53.9 DPS it has listed? or is that extra daamge after that. becasue i never added 13-30 extra damgae every hit to any formulas

Yes, it is.

AverageHit = (Low + High) / 2
Dps = AverageHit / Speed

Keep in Thunderfury requires multiple calculations to model it properly.

A normal calculation for the physical damage portion of it, which is 41.84~ dps. Obviously this portion is affected by avoidance/crit/glance events, as well as damage reduction from armor.
A seperate calculation for the nature portion of its damage range. Affected by avoidance, and probably crit and glance events. Not affected by damage reduction from armor.
A calculation for the 300 dmg nature proc. This portion must include avoidance(can't proc off a miss), and resist chance. This portion is not part of the damage range.

Ulise · 03/07/08, 9:00 PM

Hello,

Borodin, I think you are mistaken: TF is way better for threat then KD.
Kal, let me know what you'll think when you get Brutalizer; I think Brutalizer is the best for single target and regular tanking...Question is if threat wise TF is not still superior, but the avoidance you get from Brutalizer's expertise didn't let me test that again in fights such as Bloodboil in two or Teron...Brutalizer itself can't be too bad TPS wise, since I got 957 TPS yesterday with it tanking Teron, while making extremely sure that I had shield block up, while also doing TC, demo, commanding and in general being conservative with my cycles (i.e. being ready to use timers to heal myself +SW at any given time). I am just an OT now and I don't get to MT so much and when I do, I tend to stick to Brutalizer, just not to risk it. Another thing is that there are no other tanks in my guild to push me in terms of TPS, so, like I said the other advantages Brutalizer give, are determinant at this point - unless you guys can prove me wrong (or I get to experiment more in the future).

Edgewalker, yeah the MT in my guild is a human with Mallet, mainly due to expertise, but the TPS doesn't justify it (well to be fair, the comparision should be done in the hands of the same person, b/c the cycles are different, but I am not getting the Mallet ever; already have UBW as well, which, as NE, I never use).

MalkavTM · 04/26/08, 4:10 AM

Really nice work

Thanks for the useful info!

Magnatitus · 04/29/08, 2:31 PM

I too am getting a lot of #N/A in the spreadsheet. All the TPS% have it, as well as the Skills under Skill Cycles under heroic strike and main hand.

Anyone know how to fix this.

EDIT*** I am using Office 2007 as well. Maybe its a Office 07 thing

MIII · 05/08/08, 12:33 PM

zork · 05/09/08, 5:56 AM

I have to add one thing. In our MH raid yesterday evening my Thunderfury proc hits Winterchill for 283-284 Damage. I don't know why this is happenig, maybe it has something to do with the natur resistance debuff from Thunderfury or there is another debuff that increases nature damage.

Mode · 05/09/08, 6:18 AM

Originally Posted by zork

I have to add one thing. In our MH raid yesterday evening my Thunderfury proc hits Winterchill for 283-284 Damage. I don't know why this is happenig, maybe it has something to do with the natur resistance debuff from Thunderfury or there is another debuff that increases nature damage.

You were probably eating stormstrike charges.