With the T5 4-set bonus stacking, would it be higher dps for affliction to place corruption as the lowest priority, that way you have more time to cast more Shadowbolts?

E.G. if Immolate and Corruption end at the same time, I know corruption deals more dps so I would normally refresh corruption first, then Immolate, then start shadowbolting. Would it be better to do Immo then corruption, so I can get an extra shadowbolt in during the corruption uptime?

Some of my earlier videos have me as an affliction lock. I like to think I wasnt half bad back then .. ( Archimonde and Bloodboil were me as Affliction for the first time kills due to sustainability, I truly sucked at it imo, felt like a fish out of water!)

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Does anyone know where I could find some sort of priority list for debuffs across all classes?

As a warlock, I do not know enough about the other classes to tell them not to put up certain debuffs. As we are new to 25-man raids, we are having issues reaching the debuff limit, but do not know where to start in limiting those debuffs. Any help would be appreciated.

Hitting the debuff limit is severly hurting our affliction lock's DPS.

How many Aff locks are you bringin to a raid? and how many shadow priests? We had 1/2 spec Destro to alleviate the problem.

Rend, Rupture, Garrotte, Serpent Sting are four crapperjack debuffs off the top of my head.

Rupture is currently the finisher of choice for rouges and is superior damage/energy to every other finisher save slice and dice after you factor in armor. It is hardly 'crapperjack' as most combat swords rogues center thier entire rotation on keeping S'n'D and rupture uptimes at as near 100% as possible. Garrotte is up, at most, twice a fight per rogue for a very short amount of time relative to the length of the average boss fight so if you're consistnatly having problems with debuff space that is more thant likely not the cause.

Thanks for your reply Mondragon.

We were bringing ~3 aff locks, and ~3 shadow priests on our raids. I do realize those numbers are part of the problem, and since then we've had one lock go destro to help.

Part of the problem for us is that we need to bring the best DPS we have which may mean bringing that many aff locks from our roster. Obviously we will do what we can to minimize the number of 5-6 debuff classes we bring, but knowing what debuffs other classes can drop is of course helpful as well.

I may have come down a bit to gruff. Slice and Dice is, in fact, very much the shit. The thing is that everything other than combat daggers has plenty of extra combo points to use other finishers. Combat swords after the sword specilization buff have become more and more popular and if you have swords rogues in your raid they can and should be using rupture over eviscerate or envenom.

I guess it may be better to start a new thread regarding raid debuffs and their priorities. Unfortunately I cannot until I get past that 10 post limit...

Welcome by Leulier and Piztai has the current formula for the Felguard's attacks, at least the author's formula matched mine.

FG gets 57% of your +damage as his Attack power and is affected by +AP buffs and gets 2 AP per 1 point of strength. His crit rate is between 22 and 25 agility per crit.

His uses normal melee mechanices (gets 25% glancing blows and has the 8.6% miss rate + 5% dodge on bosses). His attack speed is 2.0, so 14 AP gives 1 dps towards both autoattack and cleave.


Each point of stamina/int the master has gives him 0.3, so having high stamina and spell damage is how you scale the pet.

I would recommend putting immo as the last in your "rotation" cos a lot of affliction locks don't have much hit from gears which means immo has way more chance to be resisted than affliction spells such as UA Corr and SL. So putting the spell that is most likely going to be resisted at last can highly reduce the dps loss.

But when your gears are t5 level, you should at least have 120-140 hit from your gears already. In that situation I think there is really no big deal when you cast immo.

I can also confirm the Tier 5 4 piece bonus is currently stacking on the PTR (tested on saturday 8/11/07 on Dr. Boom)

Not sure if it'll make it to release like that, but the ticks are compounded 10% every bolt.

Because of this, and due to +haste itemization a destro or non-instant corruption spec warlock will see greater gain from corruption (41.5% more corruption damage and 34% for instant corruption builds is what I was seeing). The first tick of corruption on instant cast will never recieve the 10% bonus, while it's possible with a castable (>1.5) corruption build to recieve a bonus before the first tick. Especially with +haste items.

Because of this, any 4 piece Tier 5 warlocks would show a beneficial increase in dps by using corruption in a rotation that is normally a shadow bolt filler spam build.

Hello, all, I have to say I've learned alot from this thread and so I've brought something to the table to ask.

This is an interesting spec I have been testing, and once we kill Mother, will continue to use. Let me start out with a few things as to why I'm this odd spec instead of something, well, more cookie cutter.

Firstly, We have some problems with consistancy with our warlocks, and there for, I'm on imp duty a lot. Which is sad, but our healers are amazing, so life tapping tends not to be an issue, but demonic sac was pretty much out. Second exalted Ashtounge trinket is Pretty much over powered for warlocks, no internal cooldown (other than maybe the 5 seconds, not sure, but still, that doesnt count)means I can have the trinket proc for 25+seconds, which is huge. Secondly, the viabilty of just pure destro in raids is hard, lots of moving, and not always enough time to cast 2.5 seconds of shadowbolt. Thirdly, we regularly push off dots, so decresing dots is a good thing in many ways as well as keeping up shadow vulnurability.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=AVMrmzfZZxx0tr0tVuV

As you can see, there is some room to work with over on the affliction side. Amp curse y/n SL over grim reach these kinds of things are things I wanted to ask.

So far I've found this spec rather nice, though I dont have any wws reports to help out yet. Between having curruption up all the time, as well as a curse of choice (depending on the boss etc) it works pretty nicely. But should I have SL over Grim reach? There are fewer and fewer fights where I find my self standing at max range these days. And there are some who would say, why have Destructive reach with out grim reach? Well, simply threat reduction, and to get down the tree.

What do you all think?


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I've noticed this as well Immolate, nomatter what my spec, or my hit has had a higher resist % than any other spell I cast, be it shadow bolt or UA, I havent run suppression in a while too, and I have about 160 hit. Its the only spell I regularly see chain resists as well.

Giving up a point in NF for SL would probably yield a better DPS upgrade than one in grim reach. If you're only raiding and not worried much about farming, you could just ditch some points in FC and get full grim reach and SL anyway. SS isn't that great for raiding either.

NF/Conflag has been around a bit and always was a nice PvP build. However, every spreadsheet run I've plugged it into has it falling behind both UA and shadow destro. If you're having attendance trouble and need an Imp-duty warlock, affliction to UA is probably the way to go.

The game is trying to tell you not to use it! I just crossed immolate off my list as destro after a week of seeing immolate with lower DPCT than SB. Interestingly, it remains higher on the spreadsheet. This means either ISB/SW uptime was understated (which is unlikely since I was with affliction locks, and the spreadsheet assumes SW is maxed for all damage) or the ratio of CoS/CoE uptime favored shadow.

I had a question for destruction locks who decided to go 1/21/39: how often are you using corruption on boss fights? With my gear, it is still worth casting before bolt-spam, but without 10% threat reduction, it hurts a little on threat-sensitive fights. It feels like the marginal gain of 1 talent point in Imp. Corruption over S&F is a wash if I can't use it for half the fights...

Flametongue Totem does not work on the FG as well. Strength of Earth Totem works out very well.

Has anyone run the numbers through the Warlock DPS spreadsheet with this build:

9/31/21 Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Not really meant to be a competitor against full Affliction or Destro, but more versus 0/40/21 or 7/43/11.

Thoughts? Cons? Pros?

It seems like this missconception needs to be combated on a dialy basis but your logic is flawed. If something, like corruption, is less damage per cast time than shadowbolt it does not matter how much you have to move in a fight it will always be a DPS loss to cast corruption. The idea that you're dealing more damage because you're dealing damage while you're moving is just wrong, you would have done better damage for the cast windows you have to just cast shadowbolt instead.

I would agree on your analysis of the previously posted build though, not a lot of spell DPS talents is going to make everything you cast extreamly weak.

Tetra, I understand the DPCT metric, but what happens when you only have 2 seconds to cast and *can't* get a shadowbolt off, or think you might not have the time before a silence (Gruul) or other interruption. I think casting *something* that will finish instead of a shadowbolt that won't would provide a DPS increase.

Are these situations common enough to offset the loss of that point from elsewhere(SnF)? Generally not, in my experience, especially coupled with the negative considerations of casting corruption which include but are not limited to: range, pushback and threat.

Probably not, now that I make myself lose the affliction-mindset that I've been in since 2.00 released. Though, I could see it being beneficial in Gruul's Lair if that's where your guild is currently working, or during a Lurker fight if the Spout is coming. 4% more Shadow/Fire damage though is probably a better use of talents.

I'd have to agree with rasuptin. Exactly how often in a typical raid encounter are you left with between 2 and 2.5 seconds of extra time? Even if you spec the talent point for the 1.6 cast it seems like the number of times you would actually get windos between 1.6 and 2.5 secs before you absolutly have to move would be very small.

After that you have to factor in your ability to correctly ID these windows. I think a machine perfectly selecting your casts on a 0 lag connection might be able to squeeze out a few more DPS using these techniques but I find it hard to believe any human user could realize actual gains from them.

Those situations are almost nonexistent. I can count the number of times I move on VR on my hand. Gruul? Barely even much these days, none at all if you get a rock. Lurker? 1 second of move time at the moment, and that's backing in to the water. I know some warlocks in SP groups who don't even leave the water, they just DPS from it and soak VE.