It looks like I'll be waiting for the new caster meta-gem, which despite not being the finished product sounds quite delicious:
"The new caster metagem will increase the spell critical rating by 12 and the critical strike damage by 3%. Keep in mind that it still can change."
Assuming the RED was already scaling better as our gear progressed than the MSD, would it be safe to say that this is THE warlock meta gem?
I would think so. RED was the best for 0/21/40 and the only benefit we received from it was the 3% crit damage - 12 spell crit strike rating just seals the deal.
I would think so. RED was the best for 0/21/40 and the only benefit we received from it was the 3% crit damage - 12 spell crit strike rating just seals the deal.
"increase the critical strike damage by 3%" < increases critical strike chance by 3% tho
FYI, last night I finally got my exalted Hyjal ring (would of been weeks ago, but I had started grabbing tank gear on my warrior/alt because of warrior shortages) and it procs quite a bit and also on any sort of offensive spell (not just damage spells). CoS for instance will proc it.
FYI, last night I finally got my exalted Hyjal ring (would of been weeks ago, but I had started grabbing tank gear on my warrior/alt because of warrior shortages) and it procs quite a bit and also on any sort of offensive spell (not just damage spells). CoS for instance will proc it.
Quite a bit, as in more than once a minute? Or does it indeed have a one minute internal cooldown?
so I need some help as for whatever reason, I am having a ton of problems with my DPS as affliction.
I just joined up with a new raiding guild and they are working on Void Reaver right now, so the rest of the guild is rather geared up and doing well. My first run with them last night in Kara was a bit of an embarrassment as I was having to work to stay above the druid tank on the damage meters.
I have switched back and forth between different specs to see what works best with me, and so far, going destruction has proven to be the best for my personal DPS (used to run with a shadow priest, so the ISB helped her out a lot as well).
I know its not a standard 0/21/40 but it gets the main talents I need, nothing in fire (since all I do is SB spam) and helps a tad with farming outside of raiding. My spell hit is crap, I know I am working on it, but my crit and damage is descent so that makes up for my missing (looks like roughly 5% through the WWS logs). I figure if spell hit was my issue, it should show through more with my 0/21/40 build outside of any of the 4x/x/x builds I have tried
here are a few WWS logs from what I am going through
1. here is the last run I did while 0/21/40. Our tanks have some issues and I would always pull aggro no matter how much I tried to throttle back and even soulshatter, hence why my overall damage was lacking.. as I was dead a lot. The other warlock is 41/0/20 but when I ask what he does for cast rotation, his usual response was "I dot stuff up"
the problem I have is I cannot find a dot rotation that seems to help my DPS, its always around the same area. I have read countless threads on what some people do with rotations on what pulls, on trash, and when to just nuke.. but nothing helps get my aff DPS over 400 (last nights DPS was the most I think I have ever pulled as affliction)
last night my rotation: Corruption--> UA --> Imm --> CoA ---> SB spam till reapply
on bosses: --> Amp'ed CoD --> Corruption ---> UA ---> Imm ---> SB spam till reapply
I have tried every different type of rotation and not one has made me say "oh wow, there is my missing DPS" or notice anything major difference.
I have played with different gems, right now I threw in mostly green +crit for 0/21/40 to get over 20% for destro, but I need to start spending the money for Vield Noble Topaz for my purple gear at least.
If anyone could give my some suggestions on what I should try that would be awesome. I need to pick up my DPS as my new guild is doing the "umm, your a warlock, did you forget your DPS somewhere?" after last nights performance. We are going to be mainly running Gruul and TK, so Affliction will be much better suited then me trying to stand still and nuke all fight.
help
edit: clarify which guild I was in with what, so you dont laugh too much at our 5 wipes on Moroes ...
Do you have a Dotimer? You probably shouldn't be using trash to determine your DPS btw.
From a quick look, oher casters are getting group buffs and you aren't. Taking a look at attumen specifically, you had corruption up for 2 minutes on a ~3 minute 30 second fight. That's pretty bad corruption uptime. UA wasn't much better either. Immolate had pretty bad uptime also. I'd guess part of your problem would be tightening up your rotation, and getting timers if you don't already have them.
You also need to resocket your gear completely. Veiled noble topaz would do nicely, you really shouldn't socket for crit, even as destro.
Do you have a Dotimer? You probably shouldn't be using trash to determine your DPS btw.
From a quick look, oher casters are getting group buffs and you aren't. Taking a look at attumen specifically, you had corruption up for 2 minutes on a ~3 minute 30 second fight. That's pretty bad corruption uptime. UA wasn't much better either. Immolate had pretty bad uptime also. I'd guess part of your problem would be tightening up your rotation, and getting timers if you don't already have them.
You also need to resocket your gear completely. Veiled noble topaz would do nicely, you really shouldn't socket for crit, even as destro.
yeah I have a dot timer, and I usualy pay attention to it. with my rotations, I will cast my last SB with 2 seconds to go on the dot coming up first, which would give me enough time to let the last tick before I reapply the rotation and start the SB spam again.
of course.. it just might be me needing to pay attention more to what is coming up and what I can get away with
another part of the uptime issue last night might have been me rather nervous with a new group and trying to get situated with how they played.
You're not watching your DoTimer. You have 6 ticks of corruption on Maiden, and 28 ticks of UA.
Get your DoTs up and keep them up. Use Stopcasting. Cast UA and stopcast Corruption in the redzone and you immediately put up UA/Corruption. Where is Siphon life in these logs? Get it.
Also, use CoD instead of CoA until you fix all your DoT issues, assuming you're opting for a DPS curse and not a utility curse.
Edit: Also, don't recast DoTs before they expire. Let them ride their full course and then refresh after they fall off. Spam shadowbolts at all times.
yeah I have a dot timer, and I usualy pay attention to it. with my rotations, I will cast my last SB with 2 seconds to go on the dot coming up first, which would give me enough time to let the last tick before I reapply the rotation and start the SB spam again.
This is probably part of your problem. A somewhat better dot rotation in my experience is UA->Corr->Immo->SL (and/or CoA if you have the luxury of doing a damage curse). This will align the timers on UA, Corruption and Immolate, making it much easier to keep them all up properly.
You should typically start recasting UA 1.5s + latency before the current one ends. This will land the new dot as soon as the prior one is expiring, giving you better dot uptime. It's better to cast a SB and miss this window by a little bit than have dead time though. If you have 1-1.5s though, you're probably better off dark pacting or life tapping for mana unless you're already nearly full.
Looking at the group composition in the second parse linked, you probably should have been doing Curse of Elements, as you appear to be the only shadow damage, and the two mages were elemental (one frost, one fire apparently).
I would also echo regemming, trading all of the crit gems for Veiled Noble Topazes for the hit.
This is probably part of your problem. A somewhat better dot rotation in my experience is UA->Corr->Immo->SL (and/or CoA if you have the luxury of doing a damage curse). This will align the timers on UA, Corruption and Immolate, making it much easier to keep them all up properly.
You should typically start recasting UA 1.5s + latency before the current one ends. This will land the new dot as soon as the prior one is expiring, giving you better dot uptime. It's better to cast a SB and miss this window by a little bit than have dead time though. If you have 1-1.5s though, you're probably better off dark pacting or life tapping for mana unless you're already nearly full.
Looking at the group composition in the second parse linked, you probably should have been doing Curse of Elements, as you appear to be the only shadow damage, and the two mages were elemental (one frost, one fire apparently).
I would also echo regemming, trading all of the crit gems for Veiled Noble Topazes for the hit.
thank you
we run Gruul tonight,, I should be able to regem before the run and see how that works out. I might just respec too (gah 50g more).
You're not watching your DoTimer. You have 6 ticks of corruption on Maiden, and 28 ticks of UA.
Get your DoTs up and keep them up. Use Stopcasting. Cast UA and stopcast Corruption in the redzone and you immediately put up UA/Corruption. Where is Siphon life in these logs? Get it.
Also, use CoD instead of CoA until you fix all your DoT issues, assuming you're opting for a DPS curse and not a utility curse.
Edit: Also, don't recast DoTs before they expire. Let them ride their full course and then refresh after they fall off. Spam shadowbolts at all times.
I use stopcast with my shadowbolts, I will try that with corruption as well. Thanks for the feedback.
Your DoT rotation certainly matters (and you have quite a bit to improve there), but gear is overall a bigger issue imo given where you are. On top of some crit gems you have also gear that are rather crit heavey, including trinket as well as +crit enchant on gloves. What you need is primarily +spell hit, secondly +damage. Even with less then perfect rotations, better gear will carry you through. Even with fantastic timing and little lag you simply cannot make up for weak gear.
Also, make sure that your build is focused on PvE (I would say 41/0/17+3 will give you the most atm). Remember that as long as you lack gear to be on par with others on DPS, try to add the maximum synergies to the raid (Malediction, Imp HS (match rank with others), maybe Shadow Embrace etc). In Khara it will matter less, in 25-mans talents like Malediction is fantastic.
Improving your DoT rotation is not too hard though, nor is respeccing. Getting gear takes a bit of an effort. The good news is that you can reach very far by simply farming gold and doing heroics. For some pointers, I put this up some time ago on the WoW forums: WoW-Europe.com Forums -> Tips to the n00b raider
Humble question for 21/40 guys. All our warlocks are affliction and doing just fine, but some of them are dreaming about destro spec . After reading this thread i'm going to let 1-2 spec in this build. Any tips on damage cycles and spells? Do you ever use incinerate, conflargate?
I wish, I truly wish, that I could say something else, but here's my cycle for a Gruul style fight.
"Shadowbolt"
Lifetap when appropriate.
Corruption, Immolate, Incinerate, Conflagrate: none if it is worth it for me, according to my damage meter and personal experience.
Curses depends heavily on the situation. Usually I'll use Curse of Doom. Agony is viable as well, especially on multiple trash mobs. Shadows/Elements/Recklessness are good too, obviously. But usually CoS will be done by the Malediction warlock.
I have around 1300 damage buffed, FSW set, 25% crit raid buffed (without elemental shaman). I'm currently somewhere halfway through MH and BT. I'm 0/21/40.
We run high on warlocks/spriests (4 each), and ISB boosts all raid shadow damage by around 10% total if we're all on the same target. That is a measured value, not an estimate. It does vary a lot, depending on how many people are on the same target. But on bosses, 8-10% is usual.
Mind you, your mileage may vary. Especially if you're just starting SSC, and if you're not running out of debuff slots, other spells might become more attractive. Having fire mages might make immolate more attractive.
With my gear in our raids with SB crits adding 2000-3000 bonus damage on average due to the debuff, lower-range higher-threat affliction spells are just not worth bothering with.
I've been toying around on an ally lock I have and have gotten him hit-capped pre-Kara w/out much trouble. He doesn't even have any heroic loot / gems. His armory is below for ideas:
Keep in mind that if I'm going to kara w/ that guy he's pretty much spec'd like the link below: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Which is designed for maximum "I have shitty gear" DPS.
In any case, as previously stated in this thread on multiple occasions, your standard 0 21 40 doesn't start to make sense (aka it will not out DPS affliction) till somewhere into Hyjal when crit rating becomes abundant and you really don't have to gem anything with hit jewels to get capped. Your gear is pre-Kara, however feel free to look at my ally armor for suggestions how to hit cap yourself pre-Kara.
I'm really thinking all the Demo stuff should have its own thread for easy access, but it doesn't...so i'll just bring it up again in here.
I raided with demo in SSC/TK before I got into my current guild. Here, all of our locks except our class lead are specced 21/40.
I've tried 1/41/19 in this guild pre 2.2 and w/o void star talisman and the results were pretty horrific.
I've read just about every single post in this thread now, and I see A LOT of good things said about demo, but here's what I'd like to see - A Felguard specced lock breaking 1500 DPS on bosses somewhat consistently.
I know FG is fun to play and challenging and it can keep up with other specs with certain levels of gear, however I want to know if it will compete at the level of DPS my guild is pushing. For example, this last week i posted 1700+ DPS on Naj'entus and was 5th in DPS for the fight. On Gorefiend, we've had two warlocks break the 2k DPS mark (one posted 2125)
I'd like to see some WWS parses showing Demo warlocks competing with numbers like that.
Thanks in advance for any help that the forum can provide.
On Gorefiend, we've had two warlocks break the 2k DPS mark (one posted 2125)
I'd like to see some WWS parses showing Demo warlocks competing with numbers like that.
Sorry I can't be of any help with the demo wws, but would you mind posting the 2k gorefiend wws? I'm curious and wouldn't mind examining details of that kind of dps. I like to think of myself as decently geared and skilled, but I can't imagine what I could improve to increase my dps by 300-400.
In any case, as previously stated in this thread on multiple occasions, your standard 0 21 40 doesn't start to make sense (aka it will not out DPS affliction) till somewhere into Hyjal when crit rating becomes abundant and you really don't have to gem anything with hit jewels to get capped.
The opposite has also been stated, by a reasonable amount of people. Unless you have solid data on this (which I would like to see), I wouldn't rule out destruction early on. In my experience, destruction with a sacrificed succubus has in general been higher dps than affliction.
Your mileage may vary. You typically do want an affliction warlock for malediction and imp, though.
As for Morogrim, I would hope you could do more DPS with the huge amount of aoe damage and no constant push-back from the Gorefiend shadow bolts.
My bolts are bit a low compared to what they were, we're running out or low on red/orange epic gems and I just got my T6 chest, so I decided to do some testing and try and go with just crit gems and get my crit rate really high to see how it goes.
High crit percent will of course be somewhat more beneficial to the raid due to ISB uptime, but maybe not you personally. And you want to meet the requirements for MSD of course...
Red gem droprate is abysmal for us.
The Morogrim WWS wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
Although the problem with dps there is that you need to be very lucky with Watery Grave. (Only had one there.)
10/10/07, 1:17 PM
. After reading this thread i'm going to let 1-2 spec in this build. Any tips on damage cycles and spells? Do you ever use incinerate, conflargate?
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