Rogue question.

Violett · 05/19/07, 9:26 AM

Hello.
There is a question for people, who knows.
Look at talents - Agression and Surprise Attacks. The question is - what damage they boost - your total sinister damage, or only the bonus added by skill (this 98 bonus damage on max lvl sinister) ?
From the talent description I got, that Aggression boost only bonus damage [SS+98*1.06], and Surprise Attacks increasing total [(SS+98)*1.1]. Yep, but I want conformation from ppl, who knows this exactly.

Also about Evisc, Env and other things - how bonuses from AP and talents summ's with each other ? It will be like [(Base Ability Damage + AP bonus) * Talent bonus] or [Base Ability Damage * Talent Bonus + AP bonus] ?
Thanks.

Koban · 05/19/07, 11:41 AM

As far as I know both aggression and suprise attacks boost your total damage from the affected abilities.
([wep dam] + [bonus dam])*talents

Same with the eviscerate, ([static dam]*0.15)*talent

I could be wrong tho, feel free to correct me.

Lactose · 05/19/07, 12:55 PM

ppl

Don't do this.

Wouldn't the answer to this, and other damage formulae, be found in the Rogue DPS Spreadsheet?

Kalman · 05/19/07, 2:00 PM

Total damage. Somewhere I have screenshots from when I tested this quite a while back and proved it to be true.

Ah, there it is.

http://radiationnow.net/wow/aggression_proof.jpg

Important things to note here:

Vis'kag.
Kick at 76 shows that Rabbit's armor is minimal.
847 AP.
Level 60.

Viskag damage range: 100-187. Max is 187.

((187 + 847/14*2.4) + 68) = 400.2

So, with no Aggression, assuming zero armor, max hit is 400.

With Aggression, it could be either:

((187 + 847/14*2.4) + 68*1.06) = 404.28

or

((187 + 847/14*2.4) + 68)*1.06 = 424.21

Which one fits my screenshot, especially knowing Brer Rabbit has some armor?

Quorn · 05/31/07, 3:55 AM

Aggression (Rank 3) : Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike and Eviscerate abilities by 6%.

Well it is quite obvious that Aggression must increase your total SS or Evi damage. If they wanted it to increase only the damage bonus of these abiliities then they would have mentioned. So , simple english and pretty much clear i think.

Cuddlypoo · 05/31/07, 11:39 AM

Also, 1.06*68 (pre-BC) would yield a increase to 72, which (back in vanilla) would have meant 4 additional damage every 4 seconds. I'd be shocked if Blizzard would even contemplate such a terrible investment of 3 talent points that low in the tree.

Grimmlokk · 06/01/07, 1:48 AM

I'd be shocked if Blizzard would even contemplate such a terrible investment of 3 talent points that low in the tree.

Seriously? We talking about the same people that gave us Improved Distract and Throwing Weapon Specialization?

Well it is quite obvious that Aggression must increase your total SS or Evi damage. If they wanted it to increase only the damage bonus of these abiliities then they would have mentioned. So , simple english and pretty much clear i think.

No need to get snippy. Hidden 25-125 dmg on Devastate anyone? They have had many many MANY inaccurate or poorly worded tooltips. This was actually a pretty common question awhile back, obviously it was enough in question for Kalman to put his mutant math powers to work solving the mystery.

Kalman answered the question, without any attitude or faulty logic.