Feral Attack Power: When good intentions go dumb. - Page 17

Jini · 10/08/07, 1:29 PM

Originally Posted by Lord BEEF

Hey your post was much more eloquent!

Some are calculating that this change and the boost to FAP are going to be in the ballpark of a 5% overall dps increase.

How much of an increase would it be if cat form could get weapon procs and take advantage of windfury and mongoose? Would it be near enhancement shamans?

For the gear my druid has, 5/5 tier 4 plus kara stuff, I'm looking at a nearly 6% dps increase without any change calculated in for the Stranglestaff.

Originally Posted by anathor

This change is going to have a serious impact on gear choices. To take a simple example, the +8 str gem provided > 19.2 AP (i.e. that's a minimum, it's more with raid buffs such as BoK), and was therefore a better choice than the +16 AP gem. Now the situation is reversed with the +16 AP gem providing 17.6 AP, and the +8 str providing 16 AP. It would be interesting to produce new versions of lists like Emmerald's to see which items are affected the most by this change.

8 str = 2*8*1.03*1.1 = 18.1 AP

Strength will be modified by Kings while AP will not. So 16 AP gem = 17.6 AP while 8 str gem = 18.1*1.1 = 19.94 AP.

Deliverance · 10/08/07, 5:13 PM

Originally Posted by Malazaar

I wonder if they will increase the FAP on the weapons to exactly match their counterparts (55 + FAP/14 = DPS on a regular weapon). That, coupled with the HotW buff, will be a pretty significant dps boost (i'd say in the scale of 100-150 dps).

Why would they do that when a simpler solution would be to change the current scaling multiplier by (iLvl, rarity) from its current value (pretty close to the 1H scaling) to some value in the interval between 1H scaling and 2H scaling used on normal weapons?

I'm as happy as anybody for any boost to feral dps, even something like this which is unlikely to have significant impact at any gear level (due to how druids are very poor at transforming raw AP into actual damage after raidbuffs are taken into account when compared to other classes), but I'd be surprised if they did anything more complicated than just tweaking the one value that currently governs scaling.

I'll hope for 1.3*1H scaling, expect 1.1*1H scaling, whimper at 1.05*1H scaling, and be overjoyed with anything better than this.

Larisroth · 10/08/07, 5:43 PM

It might not have much effect, but then in many ways the feral AP system wasn't actually broken, just misunderstood.

I imagine they'll change it to the 2H equivalent, at least on 2Hers. That plus the new HotW will have quite a considerable effect on our dps, but it'll still be the case that our yellow damage will be most of our damage, and we won't scale that well with haste rating, so they'll still have some issues with rogue gear. Looking at a lootzor for the new stats there's already a bit of a problem with rogue gear that has large amounts of crit on it.

• sadris · 10/13/07, 4:49 AM

New ZA loots:
(feral) Primal Man-catcher: 973 FAP
--- 973/14 + 55 = 124
(sword) Trollbane: 124dps

S3 gear:
(feral) Staff: 1110 FAP
--- 1110/14 + 55 = 134
(axe) Decapitator: 134dps

Seems like Blizzard changed FAP weapons to match exactly like I said they should/would. This thread could probably be closed/moved at this point.

♦ Regen · 10/13/07, 5:06 AM

Originally Posted by sadris

New ZA loots:
(feral) Primal Man-catcher: 973 FAP
--- 973/14 + 55 = 124
(sword) Trollbane: 124dps

S3 gear:
(feral) Staff: 1110 FAP
--- 1110/14 + 55 = 134
(axe) Decapitator: 134dps

Seems like Blizzard changed FAP weapons to match exactly like I said they should/would. This thread could probably be closed/moved at this point.

Indeed first thing I checked out, s2/pillar match exactly according to the right formula as well.

Daboran · 10/14/07, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by Lord BEEF

Hey your post was much more eloquent!

Some are calculating that this change and the boost to FAP are going to be in the ballpark of a 5% overall dps increase.

How much of an increase would it be if cat form could get weapon procs and take advantage of windfury and mongoose? Would it be near enhancement shamans?

Hmmm, I'll speak to our Enh Shaman for exact figures, but he can hit some pretty sick dps in our melee group and I doubt Catform could keep up even with procs.

Things are definitely looking up though