I know they changed the damage dealt/threat modifier for Revenge in the 2.1.0 Patch and I was wondering if anyone had the math for the changes, as well as the pre-patch equation for comparison.

How will this effect 1H Weapon Spec as a talent? Will Revenge still be the most important thing in a warrior's rotation? How will this effect warrior threat scaling? I'm really curious as to how people feel about the change and whether or not we can look at this as an overall improvement for warrior tanking.

The amount of damage that Revenge is doing is supposed to be equal to its previous threat amount, so if 1H spec affects it, it's even better than it was before. All they did was let it deal the raw damage amount instead of artificially inflating its threat from a low damage amount.

Our MT had a 600 revenge crit the day of the patch.... which is pretty insane for threat generation if that's going to happen frequently.

Edit - Disclaimer: That's what I was I told by him, when it happened. I was not there, do not have logs, nor do I have screenshots, so this is just me relaying some info.

I like it. See the "Kenco..." thread for more on the tests that have been done.

For most tanks, crits are anything but frequent.

well yes and no - depending on how blizzard set it up, if the old revenge was 400 threat and 100 damage, and the new revenge is 100 threat and 400 damage, then the added threat from the new revenge is mitigated much more by high armor mobs, with sunder only making it closer to the old value

but then again, the given threat can now be nearly doubled when you crit. it's kind of a wash, I don't think it makes a big difference except for a bump to personal/raid dps

First raid since patch tonight, revenge crit for 703 is very nice. That's about 1200+ threat and that's a huge buff. Sure the normal revenges are about the same as always but even at 15% crit or so it will buff the effective TPS for revenge by approximately 10%.

I'll add it to the TPS sheet tomorrow and give some real numbers.

I had a 730 revenge crit earlier in kharazan today, my face split into a great big grin when i saw it and i'm sure a lot of the mages in the raid didn't have a clue why i was blathering on about 700 crits being great.

On a side note, i've had a look round and not seen this mentioned anywhere but didn't think it really warranted its own thread so i'm going to put it in here as a 'new warrior' bit:

With the changes to debuff icons specifically the timer on them i've noticed that Devestate doesn't actually refresh the cooldown on the timer for the sunder stack instead it pauses the timer for a couple of moments and seems to push it back a few seconds, or at least this is the impression i get from the debuff timer.

Am i the only one who assumed that 'refresh the sunder stack' would equate to the same as if you were applying a fresh new sunder and would reset the timer? If this isn't some sort of bug to do with the timer and does in fact happen how would it affect the strength of devastate? Building up a 5 stack and loosing it halfway through a boss fight even when applying devastates simply because you don't have the rage/GCD space to spam has happened to me before, and it hurts. I always assumed that i'd had a devastate dodged and had become quite obsessed with watching my yellow damage like a hawk to make sure it landed.

To have to 'top up' the sunder timer every so often by interspersing devastates with sunders would seem like a very strange mechanic indeed and i'm slightly hoping that its just a graphical bug.

On the upside the new debuff timers are great.

My sigh of relief thanks you profusely.