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Old 05/27/07, 12:49 PM   #1
Machinator
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Troll Warrior
 
Aggramar
Darkmoon Card: Crusade

I saw a thread for the Wrath card but couldnt find one for Crusade.

From the blizz site:
[Darkmoon Card: Crusade] (Ace - Eight of Blessings)
Each time you deal melee damage to an opponent, you gain 6 attack power for the next 10 sec., stacking up to 20 times. Each time you land a harmful spell on an opponent, you gain 8 spell damage for the next 10 sec., stacking up to 10 times.

My warrior hits about 10 times in 10 sec, so in the time I should have 60AP. My question is what happens next?
-Will the stack reset to 0 10s after the first hit, perhaps with a hidden cooldown between procs? This would seem to make it not so useful, especially with a cooldown.

-Lose a charge 10s after each hit.
This would give the trinket approximately the AP of Hits/10 sec * 6. Even for DW or Cat druids coming to about 60-70 AP. Not bad but if available Bloodlust Brooch is better.

-Stack to 20 and keeps the stack until you stop hitting for 10sec.
Rampage for all. 120AP all the time for any fight that lasts an appreciable length. About equal to Bloodlust Brooch assuming there isnt a cooldown there.

I would guess it is probably the last option, because otherwise the caster portion would hardly be useful.

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Old 05/27/07, 1:01 PM   #2
Anddacin
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Draenor
Originally Posted by Machinator View Post
I saw a thread for the Wrath card but couldnt find one for Crusade.

From the blizz site:
[Darkmoon Card: Crusade] (Ace - Eight of Blessings)
Each time you deal melee damage to an opponent, you gain 6 attack power for the next 10 sec., stacking up to 20 times. Each time you land a harmful spell on an opponent, you gain 8 spell damage for the next 10 sec., stacking up to 10 times.

My warrior hits about 10 times in 10 sec, so in the time I should have 60AP. My question is what happens next?
-Will the stack reset to 0 10s after the first hit, perhaps with a hidden cooldown between procs? This would seem to make it not so useful, especially with a cooldown.

-Lose a charge 10s after each hit.
This would give the trinket approximately the AP of Hits/10 sec * 6. Even for DW or Cat druids coming to about 60-70 AP. Not bad but if available Bloodlust Brooch is better.

-Stack to 20 and keeps the stack until you stop hitting for 10sec.
Rampage for all. 120AP all the time for any fight that lasts an appreciable length. About equal to Bloodlust Brooch assuming there isnt a cooldown there.

I would guess it is probably the last option, because otherwise the caster portion would hardly be useful.
I assume its the last option as thats how many "refreshing the stack" abilities work. Unfortunately I don't know anyone who has it yet.

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Old 05/27/07, 1:32 PM   #3
Kyth
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Kythra
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I have a deck, but you can't get the actual card until June 4th when the fair is around.

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Old 05/27/07, 8:51 PM   #4
saw11719
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Malfurion
I do believe the theorycraft on this item was already done on the WoW Rogue forums.

The conclusion being that is only bests the Bloodlust Brooch if you can stack it up to twenty in under 10 seconds or if the "in time" on the fight (meaning amount of straght DPS time on the target) is longer then 3 minutes.

Last edited by saw11719 : 05/27/07 at 8:51 PM. Reason: l2spell

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Old 05/27/07, 10:24 PM   #5
Zaq
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Ursin
But for the non melee among us, the spell damage alternative sounds downright overpowered. Heck, even the crit one could be pretty amazing for certian classes (Hello ImpSB Uptime). It will be very interesting to find out how they work, and I hope Kyth is willing to share come fair time.

Last edited by Zaq : 05/27/07 at 10:25 PM. Reason: Additional Idea.

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Old 05/27/07, 10:43 PM   #6
Machinator
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Troll Warrior
 
Aggramar
Originally Posted by saw11719 View Post
I do believe the theorycraft on this item was already done on the WoW Rogue forums.

The conclusion being that is only bests the Bloodlust Brooch if you can stack it up to twenty in under 10 seconds or if the "in time" on the fight (meaning amount of straght DPS time on the target) is longer then 3 minutes.
Can you link that by chance? Those conclusions dont make any sense unless there is some sort of cooldown on the proc. I dont why you would need to stack to 20 in 10s unless there the charges fade.

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Old 05/28/07, 4:45 AM   #7
Daboran
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Tauren Druid
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
Originally Posted by Machinator View Post
Can you link that by chance? Those conclusions dont make any sense unless there is some sort of cooldown on the proc. I dont why you would need to stack to 20 in 10s unless there the charges fade.

The proc efffect states that it only adds 6AP per attack for 10 secs. I'm assuming that after that you only have an AP buff equivalent to how many you managed to stack in the previous 10sec. Potentially it could be a great trinket if your have a Windfury-buffed melee group.

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Old 05/28/07, 5:17 AM   #8
Gryn(AD EU)
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Argent Dawn (EU)
It all depends on whether or not it falls off after 10 seconds being at max rank. If it does its kinda mediocre, if it doesnt its the best one out there (for casters at least)

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Old 05/28/07, 4:13 PM   #9
saw11719
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Malfurion
Originally Posted by Machinator View Post
Can you link that by chance? Those conclusions dont make any sense unless there is some sort of cooldown on the proc. I dont why you would need to stack to 20 in 10s unless there the charges fade.
The procs do indeed fade if not refreshed. Not sure of the timings though I'm gonna go do some searching now.


Yea so the search button is broken and after 100 pages I give up for now. I do know that the debuff wears off every 10 seconds if not refreshed. If someone else can pick up the scanning of the Rogue forums for DARKMOON CARD:CRUSADE (title of the post, or at least part of it) I'd love you forever. RL calls me away for the moment.

Last edited by saw11719 : 05/28/07 at 4:42 PM.

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Old 05/29/07, 4:26 AM   #10
Kegsta
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Tauren Shaman
 
Blackrock
This trinket looks pretty OP for a retadin assuming judgments should proc the spell effect while auto attacks proc the attack power, they could possibly get it stacked up to full for both effects. Do command procs count as spells or melles?

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Old 05/29/07, 6:18 AM   #11
Asherett
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Orc Death Knight
 
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
Originally Posted by saw11719 View Post
The procs do indeed fade if not refreshed. Not sure of the timings though I'm gonna go do some searching now.


Yea so the search button is broken and after 100 pages I give up for now. I do know that the debuff wears off every 10 seconds if not refreshed.
Well, we know it fades if not refreshed... The big question here is whether it fades after 10 second even IF you keep refreshing it.

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Old 05/29/07, 10:57 AM   #12
Trazhenko
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Troll Rogue
 
Illidan
Originally Posted by Kegsta View Post
This trinket looks pretty OP for a retadin assuming judgments should proc the spell effect while auto attacks proc the attack power, they could possibly get it stacked up to full for both effects. Do command procs count as spells or melles?
I think the SoCom procs are melee attacks, because they can be parried/dodged/etc. (see a lot of that leveling my pally). If you are using SoCom/JoCom though, and have imp judgement, you could probably get both effects stacked just by judging every time the cooldown is up, as long as you don't get resisted.

Now the holy damage from seal of righteousness *might* count as a spell, since I've never seen it get dodged/parried, only resisted.

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Old 05/29/07, 2:48 PM   #13
Dartan
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Tauren Shaman
 
Korgath
I would think that the duration refreshes after every hit. It would be impossible to go to 80 damage because of gcd for casters.

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Old 05/29/07, 3:18 PM   #14
Maax
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Tauren Druid
 
Nathrezim
Originally Posted by Kegsta View Post
This trinket looks pretty OP for a retadin assuming judgments should proc the spell effect while auto attacks proc the attack power, they could possibly get it stacked up to full for both effects. Do command procs count as spells or melles?
Similar benefit to an enhancement shaman. I wonder if stormstrike is considered an attack, a spell, or both.

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Old 05/29/07, 8:03 PM   #15
Sneakypants
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Uther
Originally Posted by Machinator View Post
Can you link that by chance? Those conclusions dont make any sense unless there is some sort of cooldown on the proc. I dont why you would need to stack to 20 in 10s unless there the charges fade.
Here's the thread that discussed the Darkmoon cards previously:
New Darkmoon Cards
posts #37-42 for the crusade card

I don't think a cooldown proc was discussed, but the stack was believed to fade in 10 sec if not refreshed, similar to the AQ armor debuff trinket.

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