2.1 sword spec and rogue; MH Fist/OH Sword? - Page 2

astearns · 05/28/07, 5:19 PM

Mahama's build is exactly what I'm using at the moment with a Big Bad Wolf's Paw and Latro's. I changed from 19/42 sword spec with the Aldor sword. It ekes out a tiny bit more use from the 5 points in Lethality than a regular sword spec, too. I'll most likely go back to a standard sword spec if/when Spiteblade drops, but where I am gear-wise I like it.

Kriegar · 05/28/07, 8:07 PM

Do any of you Fist/Sword hybrids have any WWS parses showing your damage output with these specs?

Grunge · 05/28/07, 8:19 PM

Originally Posted by ysf

I'm thinking about using a sword as offhand too, but with Drakefist in MH. Don't know which offhand/build would be the best for PVE-Raid-Boss-DPS :/ Any suggestions? Im tangling between a fast Arena Dagger and 5% crit, or the swordspec with extra hits from Drakefist-DMG.

Btw: http://roguecrap.blogspot.com/2007/0...mystified.html

While Macespec's weaponskill is not that awful, oh gladiator/latro's will probably provide better dps.
I'd go with something like this
4 points into Imp Poison or Vile Poison depending on preference.

ysf · 05/28/07, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Grunge

While Macespec's weaponskill is not that awful, oh gladiator/latro's will probably provide better dps.
I'd go with something like this
4 points into Imp Poison or Vile Poison depending on preference.

Thx alot, it's exactly the build I already have and want to use with Dragonstrike too. However I don't know if Arena Dagger OH & daggerspec does more DPS than Arena Sword OH & swordspec, both with Dragonstrike as mainhand weapon. If so, i would switch. At the moment I'm using the Talon of Azshara and Arena OH Swords. I don't run into hitrating problems, thats why I think that I don't need the macespec for raiding.

Lovis · 05/29/07, 5:07 AM

So given the opportunity to choose between a sword and a fist with the same speed, stats and average damage, why would you go with the fist?
I can't really see how the 5% chance to crit on your MH swings and styles could outweigh sword spec on the respective attacks.
Looking for illumination here

Zurgat · 05/29/07, 5:39 AM

You'd have to spend 5 extra talentpoints though.. i'm not sure if i'd do that.
personally i'd stick with 2 swords. (since the mainhand proc also ignores glancing, while the fist wouldn't)

Using 2x Gladiator's currently, with mongoose. and i can't say i see much worth complaining about.

Gogge · 05/29/07, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by Zurgat

You'd have to spend 5 extra talentpoints though.. i'm not sure if i'd do that.
personally i'd stick with 2 swords. (since the mainhand proc also ignores glancing, while the fist wouldn't)

Using 2x Gladiator's currently, with mongoose. and i can't say i see much worth complaining about.

AFAIK the white attacks still use the one roll system and thus the 5% crit from fist spec would "eat" hits. Simply put, they can't glance.

iarelarry · 07/19/07, 6:50 AM

Originally Posted by ysf

Thx alot, it's exactly the build I already have and want to use with Dragonstrike too. However I don't know if Arena Dagger OH & daggerspec does more DPS than Arena Sword OH & swordspec, both with Dragonstrike as mainhand weapon. If so, i would switch. At the moment I'm using the Talon of Azshara and Arena OH Swords. I don't run into hitrating problems, thats why I think that I don't need the macespec for raiding.

Hate to bring up an old question, but can anyone input to this:
Given that your Sword Specced and wielding a Sword in your OH at all times, which would be the better combination towards optimal dps output in a sustained PVE environment?

[Dragonstrike] (0 points in Macespec, but useful for haste + topend dmg)
[Merciless Gladiator's Right Ripper] (Specced Fist + swords)
[Talon of Azshara] (Pure sword spec)

Each wielding [Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade] as the OH weapon, with Sword spec as a default spec.

It's a bit late

Aura · 07/19/07, 10:42 AM

can anyone verify the 5% crit "aura" coming from Fist spec?

also, I cant decide whether i should wait for Talon of Azshara to drop so i can pair it up with my offhand Merciless. OR should i just purchase the MH Merciless, yet according to the DPS charts, Talon is still better regardless of the DPS variation of the two weapons. Talon is slower thus has more high end damage, and it has more hit rating than the Merciless.

OR should i just consider this new Fist/Sword Spec?

Zurgat · 07/19/07, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Gogge

AFAIK the white attacks still use the one roll system and thus the 5% crit from fist spec would "eat" hits. Simply put, they can't glance.

With dual sword spec, i also have 5% less glancing attacks than most melee classes (~20% vs 25%).

I seem to recall that they fixed the "aura" thing though, so the bonus crit only applies to the offhand.
It does warrant some testing though, and i hope they fix the Merciless offhand fist weapon soon. 1.8 sec attack speed makes it worse than the Season 1 version.

sp00n · 07/19/07, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Aura

can anyone verify the 5% crit "aura" coming from Fist spec?

The spec only applies to the according weapon type, which has also been tested in this forums somewhere.

• Vulajin · 07/19/07, 3:20 PM

Originally Posted by Aura

can anyone verify the 5% crit "aura" coming from Fist spec?

No, no one can, because it's not true. Please read the entire thread before posting, it's not very long, and the answer has already been posted with a link to proof.

iarelarry · 07/20/07, 4:41 PM

Would anyone like to input there own experiences/expertise on my previous question regarding weapon combinations?

Given that your Sword Specced and wielding a Sword in your OH at all times, which would be the better combination towards optimal dps output in a sustained PVE environment?

[Dragonstrike] (0 points in Macespec, but useful for haste + topend dmg)
[Merciless Gladiator's Right Ripper] (Specced Fist + swords)
[Talon of Azshara] (Pure sword spec)

Each wielding [Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade] as the OH weapon, with Sword spec as a default spec.

castille · 07/20/07, 5:34 PM

Sword/sword is always the optimal spec. After that, Fist/sword in your particular configuration will yield more DPS than mace/sword, even with the haste proc and higher damage range, because of the crit and speed of the fist weapon. The mace is nice, and will do good DPS, but will end up somewhere around 10 DPS lower than the fist/sword combo, and 15-20 DPS lower than Talon/MGQ

iarelarry · 07/20/07, 7:41 PM

Hmm, also with the future sword spec nurf (cannot proc another sword spec within a proc etc, correct me if i'm wrong), this might change the end result?

Ruling out the Mace MH as i stated in my previous post, the logical winner as far as weapon combination would be

[Merciless Gladiator's Slicer] + [Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade]

Over

[Merciless Gladiator's Right Ripper] + [Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade]

?