The change from yellow back to white again is/was pretty big, but I still don't think it's big enough to overrule the added bonus of an extra attack.. Granted, not being able to proc WF off extra attacks is really going to level the playing field. However, the really big thing with splitting your builds is that you take away from things like Vile Poisons that can help DPS a bit more than a split weapons build.

I think MGR/MGQ setup might beat MGS/MGQ on things like Hydross/VR where the mob is poison immune, but it's probably going to be a wash overall.

I have read it, and even referenced it, but after doing much much more reading, others have me believing the opposite (can't reference to any posts atm). Aside from MH Fist or Sword, have you considered [Dragonstrike] as a viable MH? With zero points into Mace specialization, used for the high DMG range + Haste proc, as haste is pretty useful for rogues)

I think it would boil down to wether the haste proc on that mace is worth keeping over the stat bonus + 5% crit gained from a S2 fist weapon, as well as weapon expertise.

Is the Dragonstrike set at 1 PPM?

Edit: whoops, looks like that Dragonstrike also has a better average damage then the S2 weapon.

Heh yea, its hard because with the dragonstrike my crits can score pretty high numbers, but the Fist is faster and has +5% crit from spec so its a hard choice. Haste proc works wonders especially with double mongoose + WF on MH , but then again fist seems like it would do more DMG in a sustained PVE fight logically

i recently bought a MGR over MGS, offhand MGQ. loving the 5% crit so far, totaling over 28% crit now, and thats not even raid buffed. i thought that if the sword spec procs on your offhand sword, your mainhand will swing again, apparently looks like its not the case, but still. 5% crit is gg.

Erm.. Look at your Combat Log. OH sword spec's proc MH swings.

I'm using Merc. Glad. R.R. (2.6 spd) and Merc. Glad Quickblade (1.5 spd).

*SnD*
7/22 00:24:52.921 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
7/22 00:24:52.921 You hit Withered Bog Lord for 167. <-- OH swing that proc'd SS
7/22 00:24:53.109 You hit Withered Bog Lord for 358. <-- MH extra swing
7/22 00:24:53.109 You crit Withered Bog Lord for 819. <-- next MH attack (good timing!)
*DST Proc*
7/22 00:24:55.609 You hit Withered Bog Lord for 167. <-- OH
7/22 00:24:56.187 You hit Withered Bog Lord for 437. <-- MH
7/22 00:24:56.468 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
7/22 00:24:56.468 You hit Withered Bog Lord for 154. <-- OH (0.9 after previous)
7/22 00:24:56.625 You crit Withered Bog Lord for 870. <-- MH (proc'd.. only 0.5 sec after first)
7/22 00:24:56.625 You gain 15 Energy from Combat Potency. (from same attack that got SS)
7/22 00:24:57.250 You crit Withered Bog Lord for 323. <-- next OH (0.8 after previous)
7/22 00:24:57.468 Withered Bog Lord attacks. You parry.
7/22 00:24:57.843 You crit Withered Bog Lord for 889. <-- MH (1.7 sec after first, 1.2 after SS proc)

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*SnD*
*Haste Meta*
*DST*
7/22 00:25:19.968 You hit Withered Giant for 155. <-- first OH hit
7/22 00:25:19.984 Cheap Shot fades from Withered Giant.
7/22 00:25:20.578 Withered Giant attacks. You dodge.
7/22 00:25:20.578 You hit Withered Giant for 363. <-- first MH hit
7/22 00:25:20.765 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
7/22 00:25:20.765 You hit Withered Giant for 165. <-- OH attack proc'd SS (0.8 sec after first)
7/22 00:25:20.781 You hit Withered Giant for 411. <-- MH swing from SS (0.2 after first)
7/22 00:25:21.375 You hit Withered Giant for 175. <-- OH attack (0.6 after 2nd.. yay lag)
7/22 00:25:21.796 You crit Withered Giant for 900. <-- MH attack (1.25 after first)
7/22 00:25:22.171 You hit Withered Giant for 168. <-- OH attack (0.8 after 3rd)

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*DST*
7/22 00:29:37.578 You crit Withered Giant for 833. <-- MH
7/22 00:29:37.578 You hit Withered Giant for 191. <-- OH
7/22 00:29:37.968 You gain 15 Energy from Combat Potency. <-- CP from first OH
7/22 00:29:38.671 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
7/22 00:29:38.671 You crit Withered Giant for 337. <-- OH that triggered SS (1.1 after first OH)
7/22 00:29:38.671 You hit Withered Giant for 388. <-- MH extra swing
7/22 00:29:38.890 You gain 15 Energy from Combat Potency.
7/22 00:29:39.484 You hit Withered Giant for 397. <-- next MH swing, 1.9 after first


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*Haste Meta*
7/22 00:26:50.140 You crit Withered Giant for 336. <-- OH
7/22 00:26:51.218 You crit Withered Giant for 399. <-- OH (1.1 after previous)
7/22 00:26:51.390 You hit Withered Giant for 446. <-- MH
7/22 00:26:52.625 You gain 1 extra attack through Sword Specialization.
7/22 00:26:52.625 You hit Withered Giant for 196. <-- OH (1.4 after previous - proc'd SS)
7/22 00:26:52.625 You crit Withered Giant for 887. <-- MH SS proc (1.25 after previous)
7/22 00:26:53.640 You crit Withered Giant for 801. <-- MH (2.25 after first, 1.0 after SS proc)
7/22 00:26:53.812 You hit Withered Giant for 189. <-- OH (1.2 after previous)

Your SS swings will proc sword hits and can be lower than a crit SS, yes, but you can also crit your SS anyway (Buffed most rogues probably have 30%ish crit) so your relative gain is less than 5% already, and then your sword spec procs can crit as well, making the gain higher even. Say I crit SS for 2300 and then crit a sword spec proc off of it for 1300 (Or heck, even a noncrit for 800 or 900), that's a pretty substantial boost overj ust getting the crit SS. Either way, procs from SS are fairly infrequent in the grand scheme of things (Look at how many specials you get off in a typical WWS).

Do we have any confirmation whether or not in 2.2:

A) OH sword spec still procs a MH attack

and

B) Sword spec won't proc windfury (we can assume sword spec proc sword spec is out).

I'm actually very interested in this, as I'm in the position to buy a S2 MH a week from Tuesday, and had been planning on the sword. I'm actually quite curious about the dual weapon spec, and very interested in giving it a try, but at 500 pts a week (roughly) I don't want to waste the 2650 on the Ripper to find out that sword spec still procs windfury, or the OH sword spec procs an OH attack.

A: For sure OH sword spec still procs a MH attack, as ive tested it currently and recently in PTR.
B: I am not sure nor have i tested

While the idea is interesting, i don't immediately see how it could work to produce more raid DPS.
I currently use This spec.
The only "filler" talents that i might replace are 1% dodge, 2/2 improved sprint, and maybe 2/2 vitality.
Even so, according to the Spreadsheet : dual sword still seems to come out on top.

What sort of spec would you use for a fist+sword combo?
If it's something like : WorldofWarcraft.com - Talent Calculator
Then you lose out vile poisons, and 2/2 vitality. Those 2 talents actually add quite a bit of DPS.

SS is, at most, 1/3rd of the number of swings you get with the MH - that's with a 2.8 or 2.9 speed weapon, at 2.6 speed w/ SnD you're swinging at 1.89 speed constantly, and quite a bit less with other haste effects.